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Old 04-27-2018, 10:52 AM   #21
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Point being, you didn't get butthurt and run off. You came right back with the funniest comment ever.. well next to umm.... Who was that that posted the smiley eating popcorn when mullman and 1985gt were fighting for 6 months about which seam tape is best. Lol. Man that was great. I think I'll dig that one back up. Oh wait, I think the mods banned most of the posts from my first 2 years.
Ah good times.
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Old 04-27-2018, 11:35 AM   #22
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Point being, you didn't get butthurt and run off. You came right back with the funniest comment ever.. well next to umm.... Who was that that posted the smiley eating popcorn when mullman and 1985gt were fighting for 6 months about which seam tape is best. Lol. Man that was great. I think I'll dig that one back up. Oh wait, I think the mods banned most of the posts from my first 2 years.
Ah good times.


Well I was extremely upset for a little while that some guys on the internet were not nice to me Was gonna just quit and join another forum where my feelings definitely wouldn't be hurt. But I wiped the tears away pulled myself together. Still here 4 years later scars and all.


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Old 04-27-2018, 12:31 PM   #23
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This.

This is what I'm looking for. I wanted take a weekend and just read it on it from an unbiased source. I mean like does the the warranty or roof really last 25 years? Which ones really honor the warranty? What happens with solar panels who promise to fix their product if goes down in a 15 years or so AND also repair the roofing. (I can see this happening and the solar company weaseling out of it.)

The jobs I get with respect to flat roofs are small since it's not my speciality but I want to at least know what's going on instead of nodding my head up and down. I really know the basics. There are just a ton of websites out there pushing their own products and a lot of idiots who make websites that make crap up. I can't tell the difference.

There are more than a few manuals on flat roofing it looks like and instead of trying to figure out which one actually was legit, I wanted to know which one was the go-to book.

I've actually been able to get books on other trades that are like 50 years old that are REALLY good. Some people knew their stuff back then. I'll share it with you guys if I can find it buried among the crap buried in my boxes.

Here is what happened the other day. Salesman comes over and say they have a new product that just came on the market that's like paint (I forget what it's called and it's pretty expensive per gallon) but it gives you an additional 20 year warranty on the roof. I just can't believe that. Just a thick sealant that gives you additional 20 years? The quote wasn't much either. I just can't believe the guy. Do you guys know what I'm talking about?

And, i don't know about you guys but I think it's IMPOSSIBLE to tell an honest guy from a dishonest one just by meeting them face to face.
Until you do 2-3 projects with him, then you'll know. Being two-faced is easy but his face paint starts to wear off. (My opinion.)

By the way, you guys are actually nice. At first, I was like WTF. Thought I met a couple of a-holes.

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And best product choices are preference and depend on each application.

Why would you choose peel and stick over torch? You gotta consider the wind, the temperature, what's underneath the decking, how much space is between the torch flame and insulation? Is every knook and cranny accessible with the torch etc? How badly you would get sued if your guy started a smoldering fire and how many people could get killed. Stuff like that.

Tpo vs densdeck vs epdm? 40 mil 60 mil? Do u have to insulate above or below the substrate. Do they have enuf insulation below deck? if you use epdm are you going to turn the building into a sauna.

Do they want a 20 year warranty? Is there going to be a lot of foot traffic? There's just so many questions you need to ask before you choose a system.

The only product I know that's tough to work with is a tpo but I can't remember the brand. Not Firestone not Carlisle.

It's hard to weld and it's hard to make details and it doesn't flex like the others. Ive only worked with it once and I ended up returning it and starting over with Carlisle.

Everything else is comparable to it's competitor
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Let me just say in their defense, give them a break. I think they are prima donnas because they are plumbers. They weren't prima donnas to begin with.

They are stuck in basements all day, some by themselves all day, it really gets to ya'. You can tell that I did some. But, I also know what you're saying about them being prima donnas. Some of them very clueless prima donnas.

In my opinion, it's hard to find likeable plumbers because I think they hate their work. (total opinion )

I think they act like that because they hate their lives and need to act like a-holes sometimes to give themselves a pick-me-up. I give them a break.

It's hard for all of us but I just think plumbers got it rough mentally.


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Madrina,

I guess you're the guy the everyone has to keep in line here, huh?

There's always one person in a crew like that.

Anways, I gotta get back to work. Talk to ya guys at the next blue moon.




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Point being, you didn't get butthurt and run off. You came right back with the funniest comment ever.. well next to umm.... Who was that that posted the smiley eating popcorn when mullman and 1985gt were fighting for 6 months about which seam tape is best. Lol. Man that was great. I think I'll dig that one back up. Oh wait, I think the mods banned most of the posts from my first 2 years.
Ah good times.
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Sometimes I find a good relationship with my supplier sales rep is the best knowledge, better then any manual or book.

A good one will tell you the good and bad of the product and what is most popular in your area. Manufacturers change rapidly sometimes and your sales rep is going to be the first one that knows when a product is having problems.
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Try the inspectors. Yeah, I know most aren't too skilled and took a quick course. Or their contractors that couldn't get enough business so do this on the side.

But I'm talking about the rare smart ones. Some of the old guys REALLY know their stuff. They are retired engineers and retired developers that are bored and just do it for fun.

They'll telll you the best subs, best equipment, all this info, etc. It's illegal to tell you about who's the best and blah blah but if you become real friends with them, they don't cared about getting fired since they are doing it for fun anyway. I've become friends with 2 of them. Awesome info.

What's crazy is one has a set of cars: lamborghini, ferrari, etc. I hung out with him a few times at his home. He rode one of these cars to work and his boss told him he had to stop because of all the complaints that day. Homeowners thought he was on the take or something. Said it set the wrong image for the town. Too funny, right?

Anyways...let me tell you that they can be a real help if you become friends. If you meet one and ask straight out, lips zipped. And they go into all the illegal stuff; I can get fired. But I start talking about what they used to do and stuff like that. I mean it's amazin the crap they know sometimes. They are such a wealth of info.

Maybe I shouldn't have wrote this post and shoulld erase it.


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First off, I don't know of any coating that offers a 20 year warranty. Most coatings need to be reapplied after 5 -10 years but even then that's only if they were applied as a preventative measure to a good roof. Coatings are considered to be a roofing system and most code doesn't allow any more than 2 roofs.

2nd a coating SHOULD be applied as a maintenance coating to protect the roof from damage. However many are sold as a fix to a bad roof and that is just creating an even bigger problem trapping moisture in the roof. If your customer is looking for a cheap way out to fix a bad roof, coatings may buy him a year or so, but they will not fix the problem and I would not warranty the job at all.

When I talk about a 20 year warranty, i'm talking about an NDL warranty. They aren't cheap and they aren't available unless you follow the strict guidelines they do enforce to sell them.

Ndl takes all the responsibility off the roofer and puts it on the manufacturer. Labor and material.

Otherwise if you don't sell an NDL, you are fully responsible for the workmanship. Most roofers warranty labor for 2-5 years. The manufacturers warranty is on product defect for 20 -30 years.

It's not the same manufacturer warranty as an NDL.

You should probably spend some time investigating what each "warranty" covers so you don't mistakenly lead your customers to believe something that is not true. Like the coatings salesman obviously did to you.

All a manfacturers warranty covers is defective product.

All a labor warranty covers is failed workmanship.

I ALWAYS sell a maintenance plan with flat roofs. I didn't my first time and never will skip it again. Commercial jobs anyhow. Especially apartment complexes. And I VOID them for very specific things and also against ANY WORK being preformed on the roof without notifying me. You should develop a maintenance plan to sell as well and keep record of your inspections.
Keeps you from getting blamed for stuff you didn't do.

And no.... I wouldn't say I'm the guy they have to keep in line around here... 😂

They just tolerate me sometimes for entertainment value.
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Well I was extremely upset for a little while that some guys on the internet were not nice to me Was gonna just quit and join another forum where my feelings definitely wouldn't be hurt. But I wiped the tears away pulled myself together. Still here 4 years later scars and all.


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4 years. Wow. And we still like you. Lol. You know I had this stupid game on my phone for about a year and I just got addicted to it.. I started messing with the settings one day and saw this button that said "time played" and I clicked on it and it said 15 days 8 hrs 32 minutes. I was disgusted with myself. 15 days of my life playing a stupid game. I deleted it right then.

I'm glad contractor talk doesn't have that button.

Well for what it's worth gutter Guy, we're glad we didn't hurt your p@$$# too bad and you didn't run off and join the diy network. You make me laugh anyhow. All you assholes make me laugh really. Even this new asshole...

"Dang, both you guys had a bad day?"

That was pretty funny.
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The book you're looking for is The Manual of Low-Slope Roof Systems by C.W. Griffin and Richard Fricklas.

You can see it at https://roofonline.com/roofing-reference-books

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