Dimensional Shingle Setback.

K2

I finished my 5 square, Hookblade worked great for me in the sun. But i have a question on setbacks.

I've done a fair amount of 3 tab and t-lok years ago and with the 3 tab I've done the half shingle setback and the more common way around here was the 5-1/8, 10-1/4, 15-3/8, etc etc setback. The Elk directions called for a 5-5/8 cut and a 11-1/4 cut which is the way i did it. But it looks like a random pattern so my question is couldn't you use just about any setback like a half shingle setback or a 1/3 and a 1/3???? Not that I plan to do any more shingling ever, just curious.

Speakin of too old for the trade, roofing every day has got to be for the young guys although I think I knew one roofer that was close to 60.

jamesfl

I'm glad the hook blade worked for you. I haven't nailed shingles in a few years, however I used the 1/3 set back.

James

Lab Rat

On Metric Dimensional Shingles that are 38 3/4 the 5 course Method is:
1st full Shingle 38 3/4
2nd cut 5 5/8" off Apply 33 1/8 piece
3ed cut 11 1/4" off Apply 27 1/2" piece
4th Apply 11 1/4" Piece you cut from 3ed
5th Apply 5 5/8" Piece you cut from 1st
This Method is recomended to (cut down) Patterning, you can still see
some but the offset step between 3ed and 4th Course seems to stop it.
The most problems Ive seen with Patterning is when you run between
Valleys and the this method is not used because its takes longer, and
speed is used rather than good practices. All Shingle Manufacturing
Web Sites have there recomended Instalation Instructions, its also
on most of the bundles. This is the Method we use and havent had
much of a problem.

dougger222

Certainteed said for the Landmarks to run your first four shingles with 5 or 6 inches or whatever cut off and then for the fifth shingle to start over with a full shingle. Now Certainteed says to run three and "split" the fourth one.

With the shingles comming back to back I like to run four and then split the fifth.

Seen patterns running them all ways. Any method with at least a 4 inch offset without racking works.

Laid the Timberlines today and realized why I only buy Landmarks.

MJW

Have been doing a few Timberline jobs myself. I hear you loud and clear. They are just not as tough as the landmarks, although they seem to be getting softer too.

consolidatedbui

As crazy as it seems I think I have the best solution for making patterns disappear. On the front of the house or the critical veiwed areas I always will run the first 5 or so coarses as stated with the 6" stepped offset, and then run about 5 coarses with the 6" left and 6" right offset, alternating the style of stagger, and alternating the 6" stepped to left then right stepped...also every left/right stagger, i will move the starting point over a foot or two..giving you 4-5 seperate offsets... I only do this on nicer homes....when i step back and see a pattern, i want to just die, i feel i didnt do my job 100%
i attached a quickie drwg...

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MrRoofer

Ancient thread, but seeing as how it is here...

I figure if the manufacturers' instructions are not enough, it's time to give up the game. I disagree vehemently with reinventing the shingle, as a shingler. To do so risks voiding the warranty, promotes leaks, and slows production.

With dimensional/architectural shingles there will always be a pattern. It's simply a matter of looking at it the right way.

If people want something that doesn't have patterns, they ought to look towards something that occurs naturally, not something mass manufactured in repetitive fashion. Asking complete randomness from shingles is ludicrous IMO.

I'm just saying that because the above picture, does indeed look crazy.

Just my .02 cents.

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seeyou

I'm sure I'm getting product from a different factory, but the Timberlines we get are often not consistent in height. One side will often be an 1/8" taller than the other. They don't seal very well either.

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4 seasons

I hate to help this old thread run too off topic, but I have used Gaf for 1 job iin the last year. They felt flimsy and a lot of the corners were bent over inside the package randomly. From the factory, it wasn't from trhem being dropped or mis-shipped. I was just very unhappy with the product. So I stick with certainteed! Also that drawing above looks crazy and like a huge pain in the ass. Sometimes when you try to hard to have a random look.... you end up creating a pattern anyway.