Ah well, "once more into the fray." At 68 years old yet and thanks to Certainteed for the opportunity to raise the the B/P. My roof looks as if it has been strafed by a ME-109. Its was new in 1991 and put on by a reputable contractor who builds houses in the area. Many homeowners in our enclave have Horizon shingles and all are in need of replacement. One owner got a new roof from Cert. but it was a marathon of endless calling and complaining. He also had to sign a non-disclosure. So I await the packet from Cert but I'm not optimistic as to outcome after reading these threads.
Failure to honor warranties is a disgrace and is the albatross of American business. The stench must be awful. One candid person agreed with the statement that, "warranties are merely a marketing device."
Good idea Jim. Then we can replace them sooner. There is a company near us that uses only GAF products. They get them shipped directly to their shop and is all they use. We have asked why they don't try other brands? Their direct answer was "if we use these then we can replace them again in 15 years or less....We are running a business here".......
Timberlines are OK at best, but they still crack too easy. Now with the new Landmark plant and colors, there is no reason to use GAF anymore.
Yes, Certainteed had some problems in the past, but are slowly discontinuing their worst products. GAF is still selling them at Home rip-off.
I agree 100% with this post. On the small handfull of jobs I've put down with Timerblines in the past 10 years there have been cracking issues. On a 6 year old 55sq 12/12 I roofed as new construction for a friend with Timerblines the hail damage pails in comparison to the cracking and I don't know what to call areas were the shingles are falling apart? There is plenty of good ventilation at work on the home so that is not to blame. The shingles have sealed down very well, one good thing.
What I do know as a roofing contractor/installer is that the Landmark shingles give me the least amount of problems, opening the packages, pulling apart the shingles, nailing them down, never seeing fiberglass slivers, and never having to go back to see the product only when hail comes through. They are very very rare to blow off especially with the tar on the bottom side.
Isn't a Certainteed shingle a "professional shingle" which is why Certainteed says there not in the big box stores because most professionals don't buy there materials from big box stores?
My yard only stocks Certainteed Landmarks and XT30's all other shingles have to be orderd and brought in which takes a whopping half day for Certainteeds and haven't gotten Timberlines from them in 4 years which took a day to get. My yard also gets me roofs every year from customers that inquire about quality roofers.
I'd rather have a relation with the owner of a yard and all the salesmen and yard people to know each other on a first name or nick name basis rather than a big box store who's owner you'll never meet, who's general manager you may never meet and who's manager you may meet.
Thats a joke MJW. You are showing a lack of roofing knowledge. GAF has not produced a 15 year warrany organic shingle in years. the cracking you refer to was a universal problem they all had when fiberglass mat first started . GAF has a better warranty than any of them and they are very good at standing behind it. I have also seen Certainteed make good on warranty claims as well . Of course if your a roofing contractor you have more weight to have a warranty resolved than a general contractor or a home owner does.
I'm not trying to start anything here, but............ There isn't any truth to this post.
For the 15 year thing, that is how long they last, not a warranty.
There is no proof saying any warranty is better than another.
Roofing Contractor or general Contractor......there isn't a difference when it comes to a warranty claim. I have been a Roofer for 12 years and my dad for over 30, so I would consider us Roofers. I just expanded to include other parts of the business. It is alot easier making a weather tight house when you can do the framing, siding, roofing, and windows without any subs. No one is passing the buck to the next sub.
The truth is that I have seen many more GAF's fail than any other brand.
I do remember you saying that the GAF's are different in the south. This may be and I can't comment on that.
I may have to put a little effort in with pictures and/or video to prove my point. I will if I have to.
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