Building Wrap Under Shingles?

katoman

I'm subing the shingle install on my current project. It's an out of town job, so I found a local roofer who comes highly recommended. I met with him and he seems to know his stuff.

But, he wants to put building wrap down instead of tar paper. There will of course be ice and water to start.

I've never heard of anyone doing this, not so sure it's a good idea. But I suppose it is doing the same job as the tar paper.

Comments? Anyone doing this?

JWilliams

what type of building wrap is he talking about?

WarnerConstInc.

Is it synthetic roof underlayment?

Could be his way of keeping the shingles from sticking to the i&w?

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katoman

He's talking about Typar.

Slyfox

Typar makes House Wrap, Window Flashing and Roof Underlayment,
thus my guess is they did not plan on their house wrap being used as a roof underlayment.

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jeffatsquan

You either found the most advanced roofer on the planet.

Or you need to keep looking.

katoman

Apparently Typar does make a roof unerlayment. It's called Roof wrap 30.

Looks like their regular typar, but is designed for under shingles. I went to the typar site.

Who knew?

So I did find the most advanced roofer

PrestigeR&D

I have seen that being used here on a few jobs....

Brian.

jmiller

I'd make sure it says Typar Roof Wrap 30 on the contract. Most roofers are not that advanced.

jeffatsquan

Great, next time you see him ask him is their an advantage over Tri-flex
which I really like.

katoman

party pooper.


Jmiller - yes, I'll make sure it's the right stuff, thanks.

smeagol

I can't wait till we reroof some of the the houses with synthetic felt. Just tie one end to the forklift and rip it off in rows. May need a storm though I've only seen it for a couple years now.

davy crockett

I used Tyvek once,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,lost 4 roofers and 14 sq shingles all down the same side.

JUS KIDDIN!!!!

MJW

No offense, but I hope the builders and remodelers go back to doing what they do best instead of taking the roofing and siding jobs that I've been doing my entire working life.

smeagol

Why so sad? You not like competition? I'm just always looking for ways to less stoop labor.Judging by the felts strength/power of the machine this would work well.

We had had hail 3 years ago and went balls deep by purchasing dump trailers,and a bucket for the forklift. I made a quicktach plate with a ball hitch for our bobcat and its great for moving the trailers under eaves. It just makes us more money.

jmiller

Competition is great if the playing field is level, but roofers ins rates are far higher than carpentry/remodeling.

katoman

This particular project, the shingle job is straight forward - two sides, no valleys, no hips, piece of cake to do.

So why would I use a roofer?

- it's not my trade
- the pro roofer will come with a crew and do it in one day
- keeps the economy going
- I can focus on my trade, carpentry
- I know it will be done right, professionally

I'm tired of the guys who are jack of all trades, master of none. That's why I'll give the work to the licenced, professional tradesman. If it costs more, so be it. I for one will not promote hack work just to save a few bucks.

jmiller

- To have someone to call when it leaks.

To me that seems like the biggest benefit to the GC's that hire us (other than not having to carry the insurance). You have to pick a company you think is going to be around for awhile though.

MJW

Competition is great, especially when based on quality and craftsmanship. Sadly this industry is just "get it done quick and it better not leak".
Like I said, no offense. I don't know you or anything about you.

dougger222

Seeing lots of builders turned insurance restoration specialists/exterior remodelers in recent years. My only hope is,
1. They go out of business like they should have done when the new construction boom ended.
2. They get audited by there insurance company for not paying roofing workmans comp and roofing liability insurance, causing them to go out of business.
3. The INS shows up to there sites.
4. They get so many call backs they realize they bit off more than they can chew.

My builders who still still build new construction and interior remodeling just turn the roofing leads over. Of course on the back side they get a discount on work done on there projects. We both come out winners and nobodys toes get stepped one.

I'm all for competetiong it keeps us honest. However competition is best on a level playing field.

Last week we did a new roof in Edina, MN (you MN guys know that area!). The framers bid to roof the house but the home owner said she already had a roofer. In talking to the owner of the framing crew he said the Northfield hail in 06 turned him into an insurance restoration contractor overnight. He said he got $300 a square on roofs. I told him at that time he could have gotten $350-450+ a square all day long... Didn't have much to say after that!

How many people would want a crew of framers who may have built hundreds of homes to roof there house when they may have only done a handfull of roofs? Roofing should be done by roofers. Framing should be done by framers. Siding should be done by siders. Of course there are a few out there who have mastered all three!