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Old 02-25-2014, 02:37 PM   #41
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There lies cost many of us money. That is what I have been saying all along.....if they knew their product was ****, they should have just replaced them under warranty, instead of having to be sued to replace a product they knew sucked.
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Old 02-25-2014, 04:32 PM   #42
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Oh not this again.

I've put on every brand of shingle we can get around here in the last 5 years. I have 5 year old GAF roofs that I have to go back and replace random shingles because all the granules are in their gutters.

As I've said, their organic shingle has NOTHING to do with the fiberglass. Their fiberglass Landmark is hands down the best former 30 year shingle that's still available today when talking about the big manufacturers.

Somewhere around 9 out of 10 roofs I've replaced that failed because of organics had homeowners that chose to put Landmarks on their roof. It was real easy to when I laid out the big three brands (GAF,OC,CT) and asked which one they think would perform the best.

I understand a lot of old roofers are stuck in their ways and stubborn and that's fine but my god, get over that one shingle line from them didn't perform as advertised.
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Sorry, I never answered the original question. I think that LandMarks are the best.
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Still......

CT's contractor programs have made the difference for me. O/C and the others have played catch up with theirs.
Quite simply CT reached further out, did it better and provided more stuff.

Too bad they lied .........This disaster was very avoidable.
What programs are CT offering that set them apart? It really curious. I agree different plants may produce different qualities but... There are a complete guys wearing truck wraps with CT on them.

In this area- GAF is the most consistently colored and shaped laminate. By shaped I mean square and consistent height laminates/ no saw teeth.

I've done a couple CT roofs when the customer insisted, and a couple OC's and always happy to be back to GAF's.

Most of the East Coast calls dimensional or architectural shingles Timberlines.

I'm not a fan of the clipped corners of the CT hip and ridge aesthetically. Jumps out at me.
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This one is OC.
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Both are in high wind areas and I worry about blow offs. The other 99% is GAF Timberlines and having installed them both here- my confidence is with GAF's.
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Oh not this again.

I've put on every brand of shingle we can get around here in the last 5 years. I have 5 year old GAF roofs that I have to go back and replace random shingles because all the granules are in their gutters.

As I've said, their organic shingle has NOTHING to do with the fiberglass. Their fiberglass Landmark is hands down the best former 30 year shingle that's still available today when talking about the big manufacturers.

Somewhere around 9 out of 10 roofs I've replaced that failed because of organics had homeowners that chose to put Landmarks on their roof. It was real easy to when I laid out the big three brands (GAF,OC,CT) and asked which one they think would perform the best.

I understand a lot of old roofers are stuck in their ways and stubborn and that's fine but my god, get over that one shingle line from them didn't perform as advertised.
Shingle line has nothing to do with it......its CERTAINTEED I have a problem with. If you are going to market a product, stand behind it, easy enough.

If you have a problem with an OC product, they will replace it....without lawsuits.

Don't tell me one thing, then when I follow your lead, leave me hung out with pissed off customers having to sue you. Just do what you are suppose to do, enough said about this.

And lets not even get on the CT recalled siding......guess it was just a "line" problem

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Which CT siding was recalled Randy?
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Which CT siding was recalled Randy?
I think he may be talking about fiber cement. We also had a bad experience with Certainteeds FC, by the time the problems started we had 1,600 sq. on. Yikes cost us a lot of money.
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Shingle line has nothing to do with it......its CERTAINTEED I have a problem with. If you are going to market a product, stand behind it, easy enough.

If you have a problem with an OC product, they will replace it....without lawsuits.

Don't tell me one thing, then when I follow your lead, leave me hung out with pissed off customers having to sue you. Just do what you are suppose to do, enough said about this.

And lets not even get on the CT recalled siding......guess it was just a "line" problem
Owens Corning replaces things without lawsuits? It took over two years for one customer to get replacement costs for his 7 year old roof after it failed after never sealing causing numerous blow offs and leaks. A simple Google search would show you this.

http://consumer.halunenlaw.com/class...fing-shingles/

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0.../shingles.html

http://www.law360.com/articles/23369...aulty-shingles

http://www.insidecounsel.com/2012/05...posed-class-ac

http://www.mesothel.com/asbestos-can...ing/ocf_oi.htm

Every manufacturer has had different problems. Maybe the difference is how much of their product you use. Last year we had a bundle that although it came off the same lot number it did not match the other nearly 5 square on the back of a garage. Certainteed Rep came out and paid us to re-do it to match. There were no questions.

And now you're onto siding. When a company manufacturers that many products, there will be problems. It's really simple. When you do enough work, you will have problems. Any roofer I have ever heard tell me they've never had a leak or call back is either 1. Full of BS or 2. Not done all that much work. This is a thread about the best brand of shingle out there TODAY which in this area is hands down CertainTeed. Even supplier reps who aren't supposed to tell you that will let you know.


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I think he may be talking about fiber cement. We also had a bad experience with Certainteeds FC, by the time the problems started we had 1,600 sq. on. Yikes cost us a lot of money.
Yeah that was definitely a problem. The few I have seen were a lot of install issues too. Wait a few years until James Hardie has their issues become more prevalent.
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I actually just heard CT is discontinuing their cement board siding.
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I actually just heard CT is discontinuing their cement board siding.
Smart move.
Everyone will be straying away from this type of siding soon. It didn't even last a decade. (the fad)
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What programs are CT offering that set them apart? It really curious.
If my memory is correct () they were the 1st with contractor programs/ product "education" (mis-education as I've stated) that reached out to the "common" contractor.

Could be an area thing. Or it could be my perception. Anyway, I'm talking mid 90's here.

My comparison is that while CT was talking somewhat openly about shingle quality, O/C refused to tell the weight of their shingles. What in the hell is that all about?

Times have changed. Information is easier to come by. Too much information gets clouded into marketing and sales promotions.

It is what it is. Either the roof leaks and lasts, or it doesn't and it does.
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I've installed gaf, certainteed, and owens corning. I've had the best results with owens corning duration shingles, i just think its very well made. Last year they " slotted" their adhesive glue which allows for moisture to drain. It holds up extremely well in high winds.
Its a nice shingle.
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Mainstreet...2 summers ago. They did replace it and paid labor. Color was bad, had splotches. Not sure it all got recalled.....but my suppliers did.
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I had one LandMark defect last year. 3 Star warranty job. Then they wanted to pay Exactimate/ Storm Chaser wages to replace it . Not funny. My rep got me another $500........I still re-did it for less than original price.
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I live in Wisconsin and with the horrible winters we believe in a thicker heavier product. We install a lot of Certainteed Landmark. In my opinion I'd say they are the best on the market. We used to install a lot of OWens Corning but the shingles are just too thin in my opinion. When we are installing a roof I like to be able to feel th shingles underneath me, have some grip, with Owens I don't get that. Owens has nice colors, and I do like the sure nail, but they just don't cut it anymore, way too thin. I'd put IKO (CRC) on a home before Owens. Just my personal opinion .
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Well someone from the same area as me believes the same thing. Goes back to my thoughts of it being a regional thing.
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I dont know what shingle you could use that weighs more than OC....I bet CT, GAF and the others cant wait for the patent to expire on sure nail.......so they can all do it. I guess this is one of those where it is just personal preference.....seems they are all junk in reality.

http://www.certainteed.com/resources...Series-TDS.pdf

http://www.aceroofing.ca/pr-owenscorning.php

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Landmark, iko

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