Attaching Felt

72chevy4x4

I was in Bradco recently and saw a hammer stapler that fed a small button cap first-which would make it a button cap stapler. Looked nice and was easy enough to use. Has anyone used one or can comment on it's durability? With tools of this nature, I consider the difficulty in obtaining replacement fasteners (caps in this case) as part of its value.

When attaching felt on low slope roofs, what do you guys use? How about 5/12's and up-are button caps the only way to go?

Slyfox

I have seen air nailers with the green cap and there great,
have not seen the slap hammers with'm tho,
but I would try it if there available around here, gonna check into it.

On re-roofs we use hand nails if were roofing it the same day,
cap nails if it's going to set over night.

Never staples on re-roofs, unless we have tin tabs and never seen anyone use them in my area.

On new construction we will use just staples with the 30# and syn's but not with 15#.

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Renegade

Chevy, it's called the "stinger".
I bought two last year and they lasted the job I needed them for and that was it.

When they worked, they actually did very nicely on that job, it is a good idea in theory. I'll not buy any more though because:

1. Pain in the ass to load.
3. Easy to jam, PITA to unjam
2. No durability, both fell apart after that 180 squares of feltex

72chevy4x4

your point of them falling apart after 180 squares-that would be about 8 jobs for me :-). I was also concerned that since they use staples, then it wouldn't be durable enough. The only thing holding me back on an air nailer is I have to have the compressor hooked up-not always the case especially when putting tyvek on for a siding job.
thank guys!

Renegade

I thought the same thing about the staples since they are just a hammer tacker with caps, but I was surprised how well they actually held.

Same reason I bought them, for times I didn't want to drag a compressor and hose around.

If you are gentle and patient with them, invest in one and a box of caps and see what you think.

Renegade

I thought the same thing about the staples since they are just a hammer tacker with caps, but I was surprised how well they actually held.

Same reason I bought them, for times I didn't want to drag a compressor and hose around.

If you are gentle and patient with them, invest in one and a box of caps and see what you think.

This is what I used it on, very high winds and sitting for several weeks, held very well.

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Brock

Very clean work. Nice neigborhood to. Man I've got to move out of the city.

johnk

Is that the dam you did with the sh**tload of workers?

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Brock

Let the flames begin Most generally I will roll and go now. We just start the roll and the shingles at the same time. Push the roll out as we go. I was never taught this way, and it is probably wrong, but have well over a hundred jobs done like this. To my amazement, I have never seen another roofer do this. Actually I would welcome some flaming for this method because there may be a legitmate reason for not doing this other than saving an enormous amount of time. So flame on brothers. Oh, and in years past I always pounded the roof caps by hand, but as mentioned above, we stopped that due to time issues and the wasted money on the caps.

Renegade

Why you expect flaming brock? When we are getting right on it on a low slope job, many times I will start rolls all the way to the top and just push them forward as I go. I just don't get too many easy ones like that that one can roll and go.

Yes JohnK, that is the same one.

Brock

It's because every sub i have ever used blacks them in complete and every home I spot driving by you see guys blacking in. I thought it was something I invented 15 years ago, and that there must be something wrong with doing it that way since it is so much easier and cost effective. All of our homes are 4/12 to 8/12 pitch for the most part.

Roundtable

I am going to agree w/ Ren. on this. If you give it to a laborer, then don't expect to ever see it in working condition again.

Renegade

Naw, nothing wrong with it. For the most part new const the gc wants it dried in long before it's ready to roof and on tearoffs (at least mine) the tearoff crew is responsible for drying in. That's mostly why they are done ahead of time.

It's very rare that I get one easy enough to do that on if I wanted to. What little residential I get anymore is all custom and not the kind of roofs one can do that to.

Absolutely nothing wrong with doing it that way when you can. Sorry to burst your bubble though, you aren't alone.

Grumpy

I really have never seen the point to using button caps on a shingle roof, even the steep ones. If you are covering it the same day, standard hammer tackers (staples) are fine. You only need to hold it down long enough to shingle over it.

johnk

On a hot day button caps help paper from sliding out on you when walking on it.Steeper slopes I paper as I go,so no need for caps.Most synthetic underlayments require caps if leaving for extended periods.But you probably know all that,so why did I post this?

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72chevy4x4

I tried the Stinger, and it's a little temperamental or operator error. I'll play with it some more tomorrow. It's not always cutting off the cap when I pull back-so it will sometimes pull a string of connected caps out and I'll have to tear it off. That also screws up the staple ratio (2 sleeves / roll of caps)-that one was easy to figure out. All in all, pretty darn quick but reloading will probably speed up once I get the hang of it. I wanted to get this product because staples don't well enough on 5/12's and up.

SES Constructio

I have 2 of them and i think they work great. It took some time to get used to using them. They do pull out a bunch of caps if you don't hit them just right. After a couple roofs of paper i got the hang of them and they work good.

NICKPAUS

How much does 1 cost? I have 2 Bostitch button cap staplers but could use a handheld for small jobs when I dont want to pull out compressor.
With the Bostitch 2 guys can paper a 3square roof in about an hour. One of the best roofing tools I found to speedup process.

Duane1982

you mean 2 guys can paper a 30 not a 3 right?

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NICKPAUS

Yeah 30 my bad.