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Old 03-07-2008, 12:18 AM   #1
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Contractor Guy I know is paying 25$ A SQ in Delaware architectural ,and three tab shingles people are hurt for work bad.My friend is a roofer and his boss is on developments. I cant believe the rates are so low.These workers are not Mexicans or any other illegals. Thank god I'm a siding-remodeling guy not a roofer 24/7. Man thats like crack head money 9/12 3 stories up toting shingles up ,no roof jacks ,or fall equipment.

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Old 03-07-2008, 09:25 AM   #2
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Contractor Guy I know is paying 25$ A SQ in Delaware architectural ,and three tab shingles people are hurt for work bad.My friend is a roofer and his boss is on developments. I cant believe the rates are so low.These workers are not Mexicans or any other illegals. Thank god I'm a siding-remodeling guy not a roofer 24/7. Man thats like crack head money 9/12 3 stories up toting shingles up ,no roof jacks ,or fall equipment.
Sounds tough for him.
I pay my Mexican crew $75./sq.
Of course, they are legal United States Citizens.

So "Mexican" doesn't automatically equal "illegal".
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wouldn't get out of bed for that
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Maybe not now....Never say never.
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$25 a square!!!! You have to be effing kidding me!

I just cant fathom why anyone would work for that amount of money.
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$25 a square!!!! You have to be effing kidding me!

I just cant fathom why anyone would work for that amount of money.
food, diapers, electricity, rent,gas,insurance for automobile I feel bad for these folks its pretty bad around here now.
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Sounds tough for him.
I pay my Mexican crew $75./sq.
Of course, they are legal United States Citizens.

So "Mexican" doesn't automatically equal "illegal".
Of course i didnt say illegal means automatically mexican ,but I would love to play powerball with those odds pal!!!!!
Sorry if I stepped on your toe 2nd gen . WE all know your a legal???Latino roofer, but most of the illegals here are from Mexico-Guatemala and are every were doing jobs Americans wont do right??? Like frame, roof, drywall, masonry. No Americans want to do that work right?? I realize it's not their fault ,but of the contractors trying to save a buck and doing it by hiring the cheapest help around.Thank god it has gotten so slow that they are starting to leave now

I do have alot of friends that are legal Mexican seasonal landscapers
My business partner is also of Mexican decent his dad from Mexico and mom from Texas ,poor woman still doesn't speak English.
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8 illegals, 1 bedroom rental house in the barrio, 1-1978 ford F150, 1 change of clothes, 1 cow-head for fajitas.....$25.00 per square equals great money and they have enough left over to send home to finance the cousins to get here. America,America,God shed his grace on thee.
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=softtop95ta;394820] Sorry if I stepped on your toe 2nd gen . WE all know your a legal???Latino roofer, but most of the illegals here are from Mexico-Guatemala and are every were doing jobs Americans wont do right???
I personally think that that's bull...when a field in the Southwest was cleared of it's illegals, the owner had a line at his farm the next day of "legal" American workers who were willing, ready and able to do the jobs that the illegals were doing. Of course, the farm owner had to pay them minimum wage so he was ticked off about that.

What Americans won't do is work for less than minimum wage which is perfectly reasonable. If we got rid of the illegals, our unemployment rate would drop, we'd get a ton of people off of public assistance. I don't buy for one minute that Americans won't do the jobs that illegals do. We will. But not at "illegal's" wages.

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Like frame, roof, drywall, masonry. No Americans want to do that work right?? I realize it's not their fault ,but of the contractors trying to save a buck and doing it by hiring the cheapest help around.Thank god it has gotten so slow that they are starting to leave now
Bingo...and there's your problem. The scumbag contractors that hire them. If I were an illegal and I had a family to feed, I break the law too for me to work to get the money I needed.

I am of the mind "American's First", then, the legal immigrants, then, if there was still a need for labor after that, we could allow more immigrants in.

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I do have alot of friends that are legal Mexican seasonal landscapers
My business partner is also of Mexican decent his dad from Mexico and mom from Texas ,poor woman still doesn't speak English.
I see the illegals here driving $50,000. trucks brand new. Why? Because they can't keep a bank account, so they live in these crappy neighborhoods with new trucks. That truck is their savings account. Their obviously earning the money (and when you're sleeping 10 to a one bedroom apartment and your rent is only $200. a month, it's easy to stack up money when you're earning 5 or $600. a week without having to pay taxes...that's like earning $900. if they were on the books).

As for the poor woman still not being able to speak English, we have a President who can't speak English!
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8 illegals, 1 bedroom rental house in the barrio, 1-1978 ford F150, 1 change of clothes, 1 cow-head for fajitas.....$25.00 per square equals great money and they have enough left over to send home to finance the cousins to get here. America,America,God shed his grace on thee.
You got it Brock. Only in New York, these guys are cleaning up. Gone are the days of the poor illegal...for the past 8 years, they've been given free reign of our economy and legal protections by sanctuary states.

I was in a clinic today having some dental work done. I kid you not when I tell you that 90% of the people there were illegals with two kids in tow and other kids in school! They have "anchor babies" with a minimun of 5 per couple and then live off of their kid's benefits. Everbaby is another check in the mail.

Plus the father is working off the books? Not paying taxes? Food and rent paid for by the government?

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I personally think that that's bull...when a field in the Southwest was cleared of it's illegals, the owner had a line at his farm the next day of "legal" American workers who were willing, ready and able to do the jobs that the illegals were doing. Of course, the farm owner had to pay them minimum wage so he was ticked off about that.

What Americans won't do is work for less than minimum wage which is perfectly reasonable. If we got rid of the illegals, our unemployment rate would drop, we'd get a ton of people off of public assistance. I don't buy for one minute that Americans won't do the jobs that illegals do. We will. But not at "illegal's" wages.



Bingo...and there's your problem. The scumbag contractors that hire them. If I were an illegal and I had a family to feed, I break the law too for me to work to get the money I needed.

I am of the mind "American's First", then, the legal immigrants, then, if there was still a need for labor after that, we could allow more immigrants in.



I see the illegals here driving $50,000. trucks brand new. Why? Because they can't keep a bank account, so they live in these crappy neighborhoods with new trucks. That truck is their savings account. Their obviously earning the money (and when you're sleeping 10 to a one bedroom apartment and your rent is only $200. a month, it's easy to stack up money when you're earning 5 or $600. a week without having to pay taxes...that's like earning $900. if they were on the books).

As for the poor woman still not being able to speak English, we have a President who can't speak English!
Yea i was being sarcastic abot the work no one wants the pro illegal groups use that line

I wanna be around when ice rounds up those twenty illegals with 50,000 trucks!! I could take the trucks to mexico and make a fortune
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Yea i was being sarcastic abot the work no one wants the pro illegal groups use that line

I wanna be around when ice rounds up those twenty illegals with 50,000 trucks!! I could take the trucks to mexico and make a fortune
Same here. They killed my industry. The biggest GC's here use all illegals. They have pictures with their companies and I counted 100 guys with 14 trucks. All the contractors here use illegals. I won't.
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By the way, I'd work for $25./square...if the contractor provided the truck, equipment and everything else. That means, I show up on a site with everything there I need to produce. That's a good $75./hour and up.
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How can a $50K truck be a savings account? A $50K truck will drop half it's value in 5 years.
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If your talking about a roofing contractor paying his guys $25.00 per square thats not to bad minus the lack of safety procedures,

"my guys are paid between 25 and 35 per square on a 9/12, if its a true 3 story it could be a higher rate than that"

If your talking about a General Contractor paying a roofing contractor $25.00 per square, meaning he's paying his guys some where in the area of 8.00 to 15.00 per square than yeah that suxx no matter if the guy provides proper equipment or not.
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How can a $50K truck be a savings account? A $50K truck will drop half it's value in 5 years.
Of course. As soon as they drive it off the lot it loses 10% of it's value and cotinues to depreciate over time. And they can't write it off on their taxes because they don't pay taxes. Most of them can't afford the insurance (full coverage around here can easily be $6,000./year), so if it gets crashed, their done. But what choice do they have? Keep it under their mattresses?
There was a rash of robberies of apartments where illegals were known to live and the thieves would go to the mattresses first, then they'd look for holes in walls and loose floor boards. They were making a killing by robbing illegals (who a lot of times wouldn't report the incidents for fear of their being deported).
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Where Im from we pay 50-60$ for 4/12 60-70 for 5-7/12 and 90-110$ to12/12,these are for 1 layer tears.These are average rates out here for subs.I know guys that pay their subs 100$sq for new construction steep and cut up but still a really good price.I guess it all depends on your location and economy.I did 1 layer tears(walkable)15 yrs ago for 30$sq and made good money,I cant see how anybody could work for $25sq(I guess somethings better than nothing)
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