2008 Rates

HJConstruction

With Shingle Prices and Nail Prices rising for the year, i was just wondering what guys are charging for tear-off,labor and material per square. We are going up two $200 per square for say a 4/12 or 6/12 roof, with nothing special. Just wondering if i am in the right mindset this year. We are in ohio also which makes a difference. thanks for any imput

Bill

Thats something I need to start thinking about as well. Dont forget the added fuel expense.

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johnk

The average rate where I am from is $250 sq for what your talking about.I guess it all depends where you are

dougger222

I'm getting between $300-500 per square for shingles. 7/12's work out the best which usually pay around $400 per square.

My lumber yard contact told me the other day that the Landmarks are going to be going up to $64 a square soon. Two years ago the price was $40 a square.

I just bid a 13sq 12/12 two layer tear off with new decking and Landmarks at $760 per square. The bid for the machined Cedars was $1,200 per square. Two story hip roof with three dormers with a flat spot on top which is good. Three Cedar additions around the house which are staying. Will have to protect the additions below and carry all supplies up the ladder.

Cole

You dont want to know.....

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2ndGen

That's exactly what I was going to say. Less than $200/sq, I'd be wasting my time.

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2ndGen

Is that Canadian or U.S. money?

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2ndGen

Just labor?

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MJW

We're at about $250 a square for anything less than a 7/12 and not an ins. claim. I think some of these high prices mentioned are for ins. claims.

I'm thinking our prices will be going through the roof in order to make ends meet. Between meeting with people multiple times lately just to pick a color and what the building inspectors expect out of a Contractor, it can eat you up fast. We used to use pictures, so we didn't have to wait on the inspector before we could shingles or side a house. Now they expect it so they don't have to come out. Most don't even do a final inspection, but they still charge for the permits.

There is so much work just to go to work nowadays, that you have to put another 10% on every job just to cover it. Good luck guys.

Slyfox

I'm in Ohio also and we ended 2007 at 215.00 for 4/12 - 6/12.
Haven't raised prices as of yet but will have to consider it,
i have been waiting on GAF/ELK to see if they will sneak some price cuts in now that they have combined resources "probably just wishfull thinking" but ya never know.

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2ndGen

Here'a a question:

I've seen houses that I can knock out in a day (low slope, no details, straight runs, etc...).

I've often thought about just charging those persons say $1,200. for the labor and they provide the material. After my business and labor costs (for a helper), I should easily clear about $900. that day (profit).

That's a healthy $4500./week "net" with minimal expenses working (what I consider) at dirt cheap prices.

And now the question:

"Why" not?

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Patrick

we're doin $400/sq in new england 2 layer rip 30 year tamkos the hacks are getting 250

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MJW

Would be great to do that 2ndgen if we had that many good ones in a row. We'd all be rich and have minimal work. Instead, people have a 45 square hip roof with 19 different slopes and a 10/12. On top of it, they only want to pay half of what the bill should be.

the money sounds sufficient for those of us who do our own work, but I would never want to do a labor only job. Who knows what kind of materials some people would pick out.

2ndGen

For "just" labor?

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Patrick

no materials labor and disposal. The big guy around here is getting $450

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2ndGen

The thing is targeting customers. I've hit on houses where the custemers had roofs that were past their primes but weren't leaking. I'd give them a better price because of the ease of the roof and would get the job. If one would focus on just the easy jobs, price them below the competition, they could keep themselves busy. Know what I mean?

The difference between charging for a square and charging for by the job (which is what I do now).

There are benefits. You lay up the roof right, and the materials are warrantied by the company directly to the homeowner. Eliminates a lot of headaches because you didn't suggest the shingles to them.

And yeah, I was talking about a bare-bones operation like myself (or anybody who fits the description).

I'm trying to set a target this year...meet the bills first, then shoot for a certain amount of net pay per workable day (not feeling bad about days lost to rain, poor weather, etc...).

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2ndGen

Sounds about right. I try to get $300/sq for nice easy jobs and up from there. The worst they could say is no. Ove the past few years, I've only lost jobs to homeowners who've given the work to illegals who do the jobs on the weekends and after their regular jobs on weekdays with horrendous results.

My father in-law's neighbor did their roof (thinking my very low price was too high). Actually, the wife was all for my price, but when the husband came home and she told them I was a roofer giving her a price, he told me that they weren't interested. He seemed like the jealous type.

What a mess of a job they got. When I go by now, I can't help but shake my head. But hey, there were the ones who turned around and bent over.



@ $250/sq. their not making money. Their making wages.

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Alan Hughes

Down south where we can work year round but that's about what I've been getting most of this past year with #30 felt and Tamko Heritage 30s on walkables. Sometimes I throw in ridgevent, sometimes I charge 10@ ft for it. Depends on how close to here or the landfill. Paying about 45@sq for tamko shingles here. 60@ton landfill fee. My pricing varies with distance and difficulty factor the main issues.

dougger222

I'm not a fan of the home owners ordering the materials. They can pick out the materials they want on their roof but please let the professionals do the ordering.

Had a home owner order the materials off a list I gave him last Fall and when it was time to invoice for some reason I had to pull his teeth to get him to tell me what the material price was. He kept saying, "I don't know why it matters". Tried to convince him that if I knew what the material price was I could figure out the invoice from the insurance proceeds. He had a friend who owned a lumber yard and still his price was a tad more than my price. The home owners brother owns the agency I do business with so had to be nice the whole time!

In 2006 I subbed a bunch of roofs from an insurance restoration company and although I bid them low with Landmarks ($150-180) still made decent money. It wasn't until I started getting $300-450 a square that I went out of debt.

$4,500 a week for one guy is ok money but $14,500 a week is great money!!!

With one crew doing the right insurance roofs working 9 months out of the year the potential is there to do about half a million in work. When I subbed from the big restoration company I was told the only other roofer who subbed from them ran two crews and did 2 million a year in roofing working year round, this was after a 20% cut.

Spring of 2007 decided to do no subbing from contractors except my long running builders and so far have been blessed with as much work as I want. Looking at the books planning on 15-16 insurance tear offs right now most from 07 hail storms and still some from 06 hail storms. Also been getting a few calls a week for insurance jobs most of which are already approved.

PlainPainter

I think some of these quotes for $200/sq for a rip and re-roof including materials has to be some of the most shameful pricing I have ever heard. But then again I keep coming to these homeowners who tell me the last 3 quotes they got - the roofer said they had 20 square - I go up and measure and only count 10? Is this a new tactic in the roofing industry? Come up with a cheap per square price and just really over estimate the amount of squares?