Winder Stairs - How To Layout Kite Section

JohnFRWhipple

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Joe Carola

John,

Scroll down to page 6.

http://www.stairways.org/pdf/2006%20...C%20SCREEN.pdf

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ClemS

new stair code means that you have to wreck half the house to make your stair compliant. sorry to break it to you in such a negative light, but that's the general idea.

no more 8.5" risers on 9" treads. no more triple-split pies. means stairs take up more room in your already no so big house

wallmaxx

Well, maybe he can do things a bit different up in Canada, eh?

Check your codes...maybe even apply for an exception to policy...who knows.........who says the Gov't is always in charge of everything. See if the HO will accept the legal risk (just thinking outside the box we live in as the sheeple being led by the elected)

JohnFRWhipple

I found this page earlier and think it can work.

In doing the layout I wonder how to lay out the stringers. Do the stringers sit on the bottom most winder stair.

The framing crew that I relieve of duty made each winder stair like a base and built of that base to make the next. Then they sat the stingers on the top step. The look is unlike any staircase I've seen and look like crap.

I will be using these junk stair cases until I can get my head around the fix.

I like the point as well that my home had them to begin with so why change for a renovation. I will look into this as well.

Still doesn't change the fact that I want to know how to build these regardless.

Keep the advice coming.

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smeagol

I saw this problem solved in Finehomebuilding The builder uses a large compass set at 6" and marks the postside of tread. Then sets it at 10" and marks the outside of tread path(12" in) from postside. Then you connect the dots and extend that line to the opposing wall.

izzy

Here our code is still max riser 8.25" on 9" treads but we did adopt the 6" rule for winders. But you are correct there are alot of houses that will be in code violation if they every remodel they will not even be able to accommodate these new codes without major alterations to the existing structure. What a pain in the .

wallmaxx

Is the underside of the winder exposed?

Every winder I have built I was able to make them as stacked platforms. Seemed strongest way to me. I will look for pix for you.

wallmaxx

here's some

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Joe Carola

Nice job. I'd love to cut stairs but that's not our job because of the stair companies. We only get to cut deck stairs.

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neolitic

Sounds about right.
Do they look something like Maxx's?

Most places will have grandfather exceptions
for things like stairs that would require
major structural changes.

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JohnFRWhipple

Thanks for the pictures.

My basement winders are not see from below but the upper ones are viewed when entering the basement.

Here is a picture of the basement winders, upper winders and a the miss cut stringers.

My winders have 3 steps to make the turn not 2.

I believe the max degree bend is 30 degrees here in BC not the 45 shown.

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Kgmz

The problem with the new winder codes is you really aren't saving any space.


Now look at a 3 foot wide stairway by the time you kick it out each way to get that 6" inside space. You are extending it about 9-10" each way. Well that is almost a full step at minimum code, and you could have a normal 3x3 flat landing with no winders if you can find a extra inch each way.

ClemS

clean that place up a little will ya?

JohnFRWhipple

The place was cleaned yesterday.

Was waiting for that post the moment I uploaded the pictures.

Who is the rock star that is going to show me the link, the pic or the contact info for help laying out these stairs?

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ClemS

it doesn't have anything to do with degrees. you need to have 6" min tread at the inside corner. then you need full 9" tread, 12" in from the inside point of your turn. they consider the mid 12" "walking path". same going to circular stairs. these are the guidelines. what more do you need?

Railman

It's pretty hard to do a layout when there are no numbers.
If I were you, I'd pick a clear spot on the floor, & layout/chalk the stair opening dims. That will give you your run dimensions to work to. Then take your total system rise (floor to floor), & divide by whatever you want your risers to be. Example: 108" rise/ 7.6" = 14.21 risers. From there you have to either make the risers bigger, or smaller. If bigger, then 108/14 = 7.71" per riser. If less then 108/15 = 7.20".
Once you decide on riser amt, & count, you can procede to layout treads on your floor layout.
Joe

ClemS

don't forget the headroom.

JohnFRWhipple

Head room is the key part to this problem, and the degrees do matter here in BC we can't go past 30 degrees which means we need at least 3 winders.

The framers build 3 platforms then dropped the stringers onto the top of the top platform. This created less headroom than needed entering the basement. If the stringers could land on the second or bottom platform it would work. The top platform they built is supported by a double 2"x6". I'll take some more pictures today so everyone can see the pickle I'm in.

By my calculations I need to land the inside stringer onto the bottom most platform, the outer stringer pinned to the wall and the center double stringer just floating some how - then design and build the platforms around this set up and attached the center stringers to my base some how some way.

I would love to see finished pictures of someone's work. Once I get the visual I'll be off and running.

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Joe Carola

John,

You need to post measurements before anyone can help you. Finished floor height to basement floor, stairwell opening, headroom above, if any. No one can help you without measurements.

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