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Old 11-03-2009, 07:19 PM   #61
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Some people build for cheap and plan to unload it on an unknowing person in a few years. Others build for the future, make room for older parents and a place to live in the future or sell for real value if they choose to. That is common in other countries. That is not in my plans, even though I love my children, but the generations and technology have changed everything.

Time just goes on and building either don't last or they are gone.

I do follow a series of posts on a different forum (35,000 hits and many responses) where a person who is recently divorced and is rebuilding a 100 to 200 year old masonry home in Germany that was burned (roof system) and destroyed from the weather using contractors, DIY, volunteers and local assistance. Now after doing things right and relatively original (without pink panther insulation) the concern could be over heating in the winter. He recently discovered that the original home may have been a few hundred years older. - It was built for generations with the help of pink panther advertising fluff.

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Old 11-03-2009, 07:21 PM   #62
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Back to the subject of over engineering...

This little additions ridge beam was a 5"x16" LVL.
Someone way smarter than me figured that was what was needed.
I dunno.


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Looks like a nice frame job.
Roof looks above and be on what you need.
Is that a shearwall for that little of addition?
Hard to tell from picture if it's little though. Nice job.
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Looks like a nice frame job.
Roof looks above and be on what you need.
Is that a shearwall for that little of addition?
Hard to tell from picture if it's little though. Nice job.
yes shear there and at the end also...Also a strongwall thrown in for good measure....

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Some people build for cheap and plan to unload it on an unknowing person in a few years. Others build for the future, make room for older parents and a place to live in the future or sell for real value if they choose to. That is common in other countries. That is not in my plans, even though I love my children, but the generations and technology have changed everything.

Time just goes on and building either don't last or they are gone.

I do follow a series of posts on a different forum (35,000 hits and many responses) where a person who is recently divorced and is rebuilding a 100 to 200 year old masonry home in Germany that was burned (roof system) and destroyed from the weather using contractors, DIY, volunteers and local assistance. Now after doing things right and relatively original (without pink panther insulation) the concern could be over heating in the winter. He recently discovered that the original home may have been a few hundred years older. - It was built for generations with the help of pink panther advertising fluff.
What is he using for an insulator? I am not pro pink panther but straight masonary doesn't do much for warmth. I am sure you know that. but you have peaked my curiousity.
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Massachusetts is slowly moving to the national code, better than halfway there now I guess. Woot!. Who cares, going from one dysfunctional system to another. At least with the national code, the building inspectors will have the "national system" to back' em up.

Seriously though, I don't drink ... and the building inspectors around here, are really decent guys. But why do I need a good stiff drink after dropping off an application, or being present during an inspection?

I actually feel sorry for the inspectors, I don't think they agree/understand the codes any better than the rest of us. Im no expert on how it all works, but I suspect Simpson, and the engineered product manufactures are behind a lot of the code. On smaller jobs, where I do the drawings, I bet if I wrote in big dark letters... "Will use as much Simpson products, as I can possibly slam on" The building inspector would sigh in relief that his butt was covered. Then maybe we could both sip some kool-aid, and be friends.

I could go on and on... but Im no expert... and its one more thing that frustrates me to hell.

Oh! I dropped off a set of plans monday, that was for a balloon framed barn, using native lumber. Poor bastard of a building inspector, looked like a deer in the headlights. I'm being very nice and understanding... I know this is gonna take some grease...
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this is still standing, last time I checked.
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yes shear there and at the end also...Also a strongwall thrown in for good measure....

If theres a earth quake tell them to run into the new addition.
No problem there.
Why the roof overkill ?
Seems like a regalar ridge tying in to the old roof and calif off of that would have be good enough. Along with maybe some bracing.
Just asking.
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If theres a earth quake tell them to run into the new addition.
No problem there.
Why the roof overkill ?
Seems like a regalar ridge tying in to the old roof and calif off of that would have be good enough. Along with maybe some bracing.
Just asking.
I have no idea why so much overkill.I can't remember the last time I used a 2x8 or 2x10 for a ridge.It is always LVL or gluelam called for.

It sucks having to have a crane come out to set one freekin' beam.
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I have no idea why so much overkill.I can't remember the last time I used a 2x8 or 2x10 for a ridge.It is always LVL or gluelam called for.

It sucks having to have a crane come out to set one freekin' beam.

I here ya cranes are expensive.

Is that the frame up for the tub ? Nice and big. They should like that.
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I here ya cranes are expensive.

Is that the frame up for the tub ? Nice and big. They should like that.
Yeah it was a jacuzzi tub...Whole job came out nice.
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engineers are overrated.
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That is a house in Japan.

http://www.asianethnicartifacts.com/architecture.htm

Chinese house?^

http://teddbenson.com/index.php?/arc...rs-Cheat!.html

Europeans like wood.
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Yeah it was a jacuzzi tub...Whole job came out nice.

Don't you guys in Cal. have trusses?
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Don't you guys in Cal. have trusses?
No.There are no trusses in Cali...
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Wow. Just read this entire thread.

After a really interesting and intriguing OP which rang a lot of bells with me, the rest of the thread makes me feel like I OD'd on LSD.

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Back to the subject of over engineering...

This little additions ridge beam was a 5"x16" LVL.
Someone way smarter than me figured that was what was needed.
I dunno.

That ridge is ridiculous overkill It appears there is a flat ceiling and ceiling joists running continuously. You could use a piece of 1x material for the ridge the lvl is seemingly doing nothing. the person or persons who required that do not know their ass from a hole in the ground

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Massachusetts is slowly moving to the national code, better than halfway there now I guess. Woot!. Who cares, going from one dysfunctional system to another. At least with the national code, the building inspectors will have the "national system" to back' em up.

Seriously though, I don't drink ... and the building inspectors around here, are really decent guys. But why do I need a good stiff drink after dropping off an application, or being present during an inspection?

I actually feel sorry for the inspectors, I don't think they agree/understand the codes any better than the rest of us. Im no expert on how it all works, but I suspect Simpson, and the engineered product manufactures are behind a lot of the code. On smaller jobs, where I do the drawings, I bet if I wrote in big dark letters... "Will use as much Simpson products, as I can possibly slam on" The building inspector would sigh in relief that his butt was covered. Then maybe we could both sip some kool-aid, and be friends.

I could go on and on... but Im no expert... and its one more thing that frustrates me to hell.

Oh! I dropped off a set of plans monday, that was for a balloon framed barn, using native lumber. Poor bastard of a building inspector, looked like a deer in the headlights. I'm being very nice and understanding... I know this is gonna take some grease...
The easiest way to make money in the building trades is to come up with come thing that supposedly makes things "safer" and get them to be code required. You can rest assured that Simpson has a large contingency at the code writing meetings to make sure more of their products are needed.
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That ridge is ridiculous overkill It appears there is a flat ceiling and ceiling joists running continuously. You could use a piece of 1x material for the ridge the lvl is seemingly doing nothing. the person or persons who required that do not know their ass from a hole in the ground
You're preaching to the choir...
It went through plan check,was approved and I was asked to build it.Job security I guess...
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That ridge is ridiculous overkill It appears there is a flat ceiling and ceiling joists running continuously.
I wasn't going to comment on that, because the pic really isn't all that clear in that respect. But yes, if there are joists to hold the walls together, you could literally use a piece of paper for a ridge beam. Or nothing at all.
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I wasn't going to comment on that, because the pic really isn't all that clear in that respect. But yes, if there are joists to hold the walls together, you could literally use a piece of paper for a ridge beam. Or nothing at all.
Like I said.I can't remember the last time plans I was working on called for a "normal" sized ridge beam.

I really don't understand what they gain by using such big beams.My garage's ridge is a 1x6 with 2x4 rafters....lol

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