spdtrx

Math and COMMEN sence sometimes don't mix.
Sometimes people think more is better.
C.Y.A - C.Y.A - C.Y.A.

ClemS

must have missed the advice part of your stupid comment, sorry

Tscarborough

That was an observation, here is your free advice: Don't talk about things of which you lack knowledge.

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ClemS

it IS about $1700 of simpson crap better and another dollar per foot for me to frame.

ClemS

I'm only hoping to gain knowledge through talking things over.

Tscarborough

The thread you were just reading is a start, anyway.

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concretemasonry

Apparently the building inspector failed to attend one of the classes I gave.

Clem - nobody ever had to build a bunker in a "Hindu" country, although the building last for centuries.

SHEAR is the correct way to spell sheer. Even the lowly codes spell it correctly, but some people do not, do not want to or cannot read codes, but they can babble on about code problems.

It seems talking to contractors on a forum is not a meaningful as helping people on DIY forums that honestly admit they are not contractors, but they read and understand. Even the the Engineering forums are more constructive. They should take a look at the international construction that is far superior to the stick building that is common in the U.S., Canada and possibly Tonga, but shunned by the real construction community.

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ClemS

it's not meaningful to invade a framing discussion with your masonry garbage

it's not meaningful or CONSTRUCTIVE to make fun of peoples' spelling, or grammar

masonry has its rightful place in the building industry. so does timber framing, log work, and yes, even the dreaded sticks!

as far as meaningful is concerned, your posts are anything but. Your general persuasion is that somehow we're lagging behind the rest of the civilized world (india and russia of all places) but you fail to justify how this is so.

ClemS

the general feeling I got from reading that thread is that masons are dumber than the bricks they are laying.

and also r-value of CMU block is small, BUT r-value of a fiberglass insulated wood wall isn't exactly what they tell you it is, but still higher.


so in comparison. 8" cmu wall=r-10

8" insulated framed wall=r-30

finehomes

Come on Clem....you know that you have to fir out those concrete walls... then you can at least get an R13 out of them!!!

ClemS

or you can build an 8" stud wall inside the block wall if you really want to keep the heat in.

scrapecc

I don't see what the argument is about. I am a concrete guy, but wood is one of the most versitile things you can use, its plentiful in the US. And its the cheapest way to build a house here. Point blank thats why its done that way here. I wont lie though, my last shop that i built was out of steel, and the next house i build will be an ICF home. But everybody has their own tastes, and talents. I say no thanks to sawdust, but I understand wood is easy to build with and also goes up quickly, plus not to mention is strong. Oh and by the way, a building code wont save your ass if the work is crap!!! I know of a few houses in Gillette WY that are being lifted and the foundations torn out from under them. They are only 2 years old!! Damn shame that they let someone pour them on frost.

ClemS

i don't think there was an argument really. just a blatantly false statement that we the free are somehow in the dark about how real builders do it in Chernobyl.

meanwhile they may not be overly concerned with running mechanicals through their houses, since let's face it, there AREN'T any mechanicals

spdtrx

[quote=concretemasonry;800294]Apparently the building inspector failed to attend one of the classes I gave.



Dick
What class do you teach?
I'm aways up to learn something new.
When I quit learning I'll Quit my job.
I guess that means I'll be working the rest of my life.

ClemS

[quote=spdtrx;800352]he teaches spelling and punctuation

scrapecc

Well If you think about it, concrete, brick, or stone is the way to make something last centuries. but I see buildings being torn down just because people want something new there, Anyone see the old school taco bells still in operation? NO. people change, and in america sad fact is a lot of buildings are disposable. I do love concrete, but the house I live in was built 125 years ago and is still in awesome shape. I would have never guessed it was so old if i didn't know any better. Don't get me wrong, I am not jumping on the wagon to go bend some nails, but I just don't think America could build the way the rest of the world does and afford it. Things would have to change. Concrete prices would have to drop, Masonary would have to become much cheaper to make it worth while. Most people aren't thinking about building a home for their grandchild's grandchild!

spdtrx

Have a taco bell thats over 35 yrs old here and still in operation.
My house is 90 yrs old and in great shape. Only had to fix front porch
foundation. The real deal 2x4's and 6's. Some Knob and tube wiring.
Need to finish getting rid of that stuff.
No hardware and made it though many earth quakes.
Alot of T.L.C Been there 20yrs.
I do here what your saying.You are right in many ways.
Things are changing.For the better I hope.

scrapecc

Wow, I am blown away. The only time i See one of those old brick taco bell buildings around is when its just plain abandoned by the franchise. I saw one a while back, but it was a small real estate office. And yes things are changing, but I feel sorry for my children. Its just impossible to get away with having fun nowdays. Well mischief fun anyways. I swear america is in trouble. Not many kids want to learn anything but how to play the new ps3 game they just picked up. Most ppl have gotten so used to instant gratification that I think we are in trouble. But hey I have been wrong before, and I will be wrong again.

JumboJack

Back to the subject of over engineering...

This little additions ridge beam was a 5"x16" LVL.
Someone way smarter than me figured that was what was needed.
I dunno.

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JumboJack

Those old TB buildings are all over the place in So Cal still but most are not TB's anymore.

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