Trusses?

Willie T

There was a time when I just had to state my point of view. I was like you. I thought I knew carpentry because I could frame. Then I met a form carpenter.

So I began to learn that facet of the trades. Got pretty good at it. Again, I knew I knew. Then I met a Trim Carpenter.

Again I began to learn that part of the trades. Got pretty good at it. Once again, I knew I knew. Then I met BASSWOOD on this forum.

Now I'm finally beginning to learn that I probably will never know as much as I've always thought I do.

My Pappy used to tell me, "Son, there's enough that you have no clue about to make a whole 'nother world."

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ClemS

matter of fact I have a head cold plus my friday sucked since it poured like crazy here and I have to go back to a job that should have been done already. on top of that I'm a little backed up with work so I'm under pressure to move my sweet behind a little quicker than normal.
but what really got my panties in a bunch is the lack of constructive opposition. all I got from bashing trusses is marginal contractors bashing me for being younger

KentWhitten

Here, let me help you a little if you will.

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Warren

Clem, trusses are not just designed for economy reasons. We finished a 3 story 16000 sq ft house in February that would not have been possible without trusses. We had 4 ply girders, 52 feet long, bolted together to carry framing for the third floor. It is truly amazing what can be done with trusses. I agree, that they look like a bunch of 2x, tacked together with some gussets, but they are truly remarkable. For many years, I felt the same way about TJI floor joist. 2x2's with osb, what a joke. Only in the last ten years have we really started using them on a regular basis. They are so much more consistent than conventional lumber, and they can span farther. I work closely with several engineers, and I really appreciate what they bring to the table. Not just with trusses, but also with steel, timbers,etc.

KentWhitten

when you squeeze an orange, what comes out?

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Willie T

This post actually reflects a lot of promise. So, you DO think things over. A good quality. Allowing it to grow will lead you nowhere but forward.

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ClemS

orange juice?

Willie T

It's kind of like the famous Forrest Gump quote..................

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ClemS

warren I think you're one of the few people here actually worth talking to.
To me it's not whether is CAN be done a certain way, as much as whether it SHOULD be done that way and will it stand the test of time.
take TJIs for example. The promise of longer spans have been nothing but nightmare for me. You have to upsize by 2 or four points on spans longer than 22' feet to eliminate some of the bounce.
do they span? sure.
are the deflection tables useless? yup.
do they get destroyed by the elements? oh yea!
the only REAL benefit of TJIs is their relative dimensional stability.

ClemS

means a lot coming from a FLORIDA contractor

ClemS

I am not bashing truss work as a whole. I am bashing 2x4 trusses with gusset plates.

not steel trusses, or timber trusses, or even site-built dimensional trusswork. just the crap that breaks in pieces when you drop it 8 feet

Gus Dering

Oh contrair young man.

I don't think anyone has really bashed you at all. I think most of us are just trying to figure out why you seem out of character about something so bi nine as this subject.

It is you that have been doing the bashing, the rest of us seem to be giving you a free pass for the time being. There is no good reason to cast judgment like the one highlighted.

I think most of what you see as bashing could be seen as reflective listening. You say something and it gets repeated to you in another form. You don't like what you hear but you are in some part to blame.

Your age is an asset at this point. Your just coming off like a hot head know it all today. Something is a miss. No one seems to want a piece of you here.

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ClemS

there's two things at play here. ONE, is i AM a better framer that most cabinet makers here. TWO, i don't appreciate being jerked off for my age, even by superior cabinet box makers.
can't we all just get along

Warren

These 52 foot trusses were just 2x and gussets. Hard to believe that they would be capable of doing what was asked of them, but I saw it with my own eyes. You should visit some sites with some larger homes Clem. I bet that would give you a whole new perspective on this issue.Here are a few pics of another house that was mostly trussed with these "crap 2x's"

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KentWhitten

I'm sure that timber framers feel the same way about stick built homes....you know....dimensional lumber. "It's junk, it's crap, it's these tiny little pieces of wood."

You are going to remain a frustrated person for awhile.

trusses have been proving themselves for far longer than you have been around, including the ones with steel gussets. I guess if you're in the habit of dropping trusses 8', then yeah I can see why you're frustrated. I usually don't drop things off the walls. Maybe a pencil....

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ClemS

nothing more frustrating than making six digits doing what you love.


one who never walks the walls may never drop anything off one.

Gus Dering

Once upon a time when I wore a younger man's clothes I'd be willing to frame head to head with you. If you can't see that as a possible loss on your part, I pity you.

I can't seem to find a scenario where I would want to jerk you off.

I have a son your age so if I am guilty of anything I am guilty of trying to guide a young man in a direction that will serve him better than the path he is on.

Stop the attacks Clem. How many times do I have to say that I'm on your side. Geez this is getting old

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ClemS

the only place trusses are used here are on production tracts. big customs are all stick framed. on 10mil dollar homes people want quality and workmanship, not 2x4s gusseted together by a bunch of primates at a factory in Iowa

ClemS

you know you can actually build 8' wide rail&stile doors if you just gusset the backs of them with some plywood scrap. I'm just having fun Gus, that's what youth is for.

Warren

I agree with the rest now Clem. I tried to be constructive and listened to and replied to your questions, but now I think you may really be CLUELESS!!

How do you accomodate the big spans on these 10 million dollar homes?

Oh thats right, You wouldn't know!