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Old 03-22-2015, 01:08 PM   #1
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Plunge Router - Anybody Use It For Framing?


As I'm sure many of you do, I receive 'Tools of the Trade' magazine quarterly. In the recent addition, the magazine was covering tools a framer carries and one in particular is a plunge router with a flush cut bit.

The magazine says he uses this for cutting window and door openings without the need for any sheathing layout, either cut to fit pieces or snapping lines for circulaw saw cutouts...this eliminates both. It says it's faster, much neater than the sawzall and chainsaw applications.

Thinking about when I used to frame full-time, I can think of multiple applications where this would be beneficial...Subfloors, sheathing gable ends on the ground, window and door openings, etc.

Anyone use this currently and able to back this up? My thinking is I currently have a 1 3/4 HP PC router and small trimmer for other uses. Doubt either would have the strength needed so to switch to this application, I'd probably need a 3+ HP router, as the framer in the article uses.
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Old 03-22-2015, 01:11 PM   #2
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we sawzall our openings, tried the router once, hit a nail killed the bit never tried it again

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I do it about half the time on windows and doors. Just my 1 1/2 (?) craftsman. Never did it for 30 years, always snapped and cut.
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we sawzall our openings, tried the router once, hit a nail killed the bit never tried it again
This is my thinking too. When sheathing, an occasional nail will miss the jack and could be very dangerous to hit with a router spinning at 25,000+ rpm.
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I have my laborer cut out the windows, keeps them busy and its good practice using power tools and cutting a straight line
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I do it about half the time on windows and doors. Just my 1 1/2 (?) craftsman. Never did it for 30 years, always snapped and cut.
So this is a newer method for you then. Obviously, you wouldn't continue if it wasn't more efficient. How does the lesser HP router hold up? Get any bog down on 7/16 OSB or do you notice you have to go a little slower due to the router size? I'll have to experiment with mine, maybe it'll be strong enough.
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Well, it cuts at a steady clip, won't out run a saw or a stihl, but a nice cut. Cut out before nailing off. I'm using the diablo bits.

Thers been a couple long threads on here pro and con. I'm pro-router now.
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Just another one trick pony tool that doesn't need to be taken out every day in my opinion. We tried it, and did not feel like it saved time or increased accuracy.
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Well, it cuts at a steady clip, won't out run a saw or a stihl, but a nice cut. Cut out before nailing off. I'm using the diablo bits.

Thers been a couple long threads on here pro and con. I'm pro-router now.
Amana makes a 2 1/2" - 3" triple flute - big difference in speed of cutting. Woodworkers store or rockler...a little more than the diablos tho.
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I used to snap out the doors and windows, I've only sawsalled them when either having to move/add/fix a window plavement. Now I solely rout out windows. And most straight runs. You set a few staples to hold your sheet down then do the rest of the window after you route it. I've never hit a nail/staple. It really probably isn't any faster than an experienced guy snapping and cutting, but its idiot proof. You can give it to your labourer and have him route them out as you staple.
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I've done it several times and found even with a 3 1/4 hp PC router that it is slower and the osb really wears the bits out quick.The bits I wee using were pretty high quality and and I could have bought 3 saw blades for what 1 costs.
I just snap a line and cut out with a circular saw or sawzall.
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We use 2 1/4 hp dewalt d-handle. Use it for windows and gables. Have had the worst luck with expensive bits and only buy the cheapies now, which last longer. There is no way that we could snap and cut faster than routering openings. And to pull out another tool only happens 3 times per house
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Just a couple tacks before you route, fairly quick and super simple. Finish nailing after it drops. Its like the drywallers roto zip just a bit bigger.
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Sorry guys, if you are snapping lines and cutting with a saw, you are behind the times.
We always used proter cable 3 horse and cut everything we could with the router. Stairwells windows, doors, gables etc.
To say it takes more time is ridiculous and you need a larger router.

By the way, the person Tim is a member here and frames some beautiful houses , he is the one that tools of the trade was written by.
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Sorry guys, if you are snapping lines and cutting with a saw, you are behind the times.
We always used proter cable 3 horse and cut everything we could with the router. Stairwells windows, doors, gables etc.
To say it takes more time is ridiculous and you need a larger router.

By the way, the person Tim is a member here and frames some beautiful houses , he is the one that tools of the trade was written by.
I'll definitely mess with it the next time I have the opportunity. If it's the same Tim from Oregon or Washington, I've read many of his articles and believe I've talked to him once or twice on here. Someone(think it was him) was telling me about mass-production, gang cutting ridge rafter cuts with a chainsaw mount for adjusting the angle. Even had a video on it and it's an impressive jig if you could justify the setup time.
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Our Bosch router died last week and I had to go back to the lines and saw method. I hate that method.

Ordered a Makita 3 1/4 hp router and had it 2 days later. In the meantime we sheathed over the windows and routed them after (1st floor so it was easy)

I think we'll be using it today so I'll try and get some video and post it this weekend. It is much much faster and perfectly clean.

This comes up as an argument every so often and I used to jump in. Now to each his own, but you will love using a router. Sheathe your walls while they are on the ground and route them before you nail off. You will love it.
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^^^^^^
What he saiid.
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I'm not a framer and I guess it shows here. I cut them out from the inside with a really aggressive sawzall blade so I don't have to bother snapping lines.

I remember using routers when I worked for my first GC though. Having all those OSB chunks down my shirt isn't a favorite memory.
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I bought a 1/4" shank panel bit for $16. It was the only one they had. I haven't had the chance to use it yet but I'll try it sooner or later. I'm convinced but tryouts to get 25 other guys on board is a whole other story. Not to mention we would the. Have to buy 5 routers and all the bits which i know the boss wouldn't go for
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I think that using a router to cut out the opening is much quicker & you can give to job to a less skilled person to do with little instruction.
I will agree that you need a big hp router to hog it out efficiently.

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