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Old 01-18-2011, 01:07 PM   #1
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I will admit, I am a trim carpenter by trade, and I love what I do. I recently bought a 50's model basic ranch home, and i want to remove a 12'-16' section of the load bearing wall. I havent done much framing work in quite a few years, so I figured I would throw this out here to see if I could get any good suggestions, from ya'll framers. If i can do this without placing a beam I would prefer to do it that way, with the already low 8' ceilings I dont want to have anymore drops in the ceiling if I can get away with it.

I have added a quick sketch to refrence, hopefully I can get some good ideas, living in an enclosed ranch is not ideal, and I would like to open the flow up as much as possible.
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Old 01-18-2011, 01:14 PM   #2
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Get a engineer involved. And ask them to give a shoring plan too. Also you don't take out a bearing wall and replace it with nothing. And your sketch it no where enough to give good advice about what won't get you and others killed. You are in over your head.

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yeah, this is trouble. without knowing what is above or below or having a better idea of what existing conditions are, you're not going to get safe advice about something like this. you're likely looking at either a very expensive project or a beam that will take up some ceiling space.
talk to an engineer.
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I don't think you are in over your head. Just looking for a site engineered solution to a common problem.

If this was my house and I had no fear of working without a permit...

Assuming your working with a stick framed roof;

-Move all your crap the out of the living and kitchen
- Demo the drywall from the ceiling and bearing wall
- remove every 2 out of three ceiling joists
- use the old ones as prop sticks from floor to ridge along side of the ceiling joists you have left in place.
- Tear out the wall
- Clear span properly sized TGI's from rafter to rafter, front to back. Fur out the webs and bolt them to the rafters. Make them as long as you can yet still get them in and have some bearing on the plates
- When you spot several across, remove the rest of the joists, leave a couple posts for good measure and fill in the rest.
- make king posts from ridge to a catwalk on the TGI's. Plywood gussets at the rafters near the ridge and the catwalk to tie them all together wouldn't hurt.
- If your existing rafters are undersized and were framed with mid span purlins, either drop new legs to another catwalk or take the opportunity to sister in properly sized ones before the TGI's go in.


Thats just me though. I wouldn't do it if I didn't have confidence to overbuild while taking a flight on the seat of my pants. Again, my house, no fear about the lack of a permit.

Side note- you could do a more complicated but similar system and get that ceiling up to 9' and create a tray ceiling.

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Climb up in the attic and see if the house was built with trusses or not. If it is trusses, talk to an engineer to verify that the wall is not load bearing. Remove as much wall as desired. If the wall is load bearing, there is no magic fix. Something will have to carry the load, and be supported from below. If you have a basement or crawl space you can go below and see where the loads will transfer to. If the house is a slab, you may have to cut the floor, excavate, and pour a properly sized footing at each bearing location.
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get in the attic and snap a picture.
if you have trusses, more than likely, just the exterior walls are load bearing, since your span is not that long.
if the roof is stick framed, then you probably only need a beam to support the ceiling joists. you can make the beam hidden, but that would be way more work than just placing it below the ceiling level.
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if you have trusses, you might not have anything to worry about, although i guess 50's would be pretty early for trusses...... whats the length front wall to back wall?..... you could certainly do what gus was saying but you might be able to get away with conventional lumber if the span is not that great
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I cant tell you how many of my friends have bought a house, and ask me over for advice because they want to remove a wall, and they never do the job. You may not be that guy but thats my experience.
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Any one want to take bets that the roof is stick framed with 2x6's? There would not be enough bearing for TGIs on the exterior walls
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and i want to remove a 12'-16' section of the load bearing wall. I havent done much framing work in quite a few years, so I figured I would throw this out here to see if I could get any good suggestions, from ya'll framers. If i can do this without placing a beam I would prefer to do it that way, .
What do you mean by that? You need a beam whether it's a steel beam or wood beam.
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I think he means he doesn't want to use a drop beam. Flush beam would work.
Send me your details on the as-built framing and I will show you how I might (or might not) go about possibly dong something similar to a house I might (or might not) own that is very similar to your framing detail.
If you know what I mean.



And not for free either.


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Let's pretend Brandon introduced himself as having a different profession. Say, a restaurant owner, or an accountant.

What would we be advising him to do?
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Let's pretend Brandon introduced himself as having a different profession. Say, a restaurant owner, or an accountant.

What would we be advising him to do?
Hire a licensed carpenter who could then determine if a spec from a structural engineer was required.
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Brandon, you don't know enough to know what you don't know. There are many on this board who would help you if you were in their area. Without including you location in your profile, there is really no way for others to know if they can or cannot help.
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Just pause a lot when you tear stuff out.

Tear out, pause (see if anything falls) then repeat.
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Just pause a lot when you tear stuff out.

Tear out, pause (see if anything falls) then repeat.
And don't forget to listen for creaks and groans.
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And don't forget to listen for creaks and groans.
oh yeah, those too!!
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I just opened up a load bearing wall at investment property. It's not really that hard. You must build temporary support for the load. The main thing is to have a good electrician on hand to relocate any receptacles.

I did mine EXACTLY like Tom...
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Just pause a lot when you tear stuff out.

Tear out, pause (see if anything falls) then repeat.
You woosie.

There is no time for that. Plenty of noise from all the debris falling and the radio blaring away. Not to mention the coughing from all the blown in insulation you are choking down. Maybe a spark from cutting through a lighting circuit or two.

I happen to know for sure that this can be done by the way.
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You woosie.

There is no time for that. Plenty of noise from all the debris falling and the radio blaring away. Not to mention the coughing from all the blown in insulation you are choking down. Maybe a spark from cutting through a lighting circuit or two.

I happen to know for sure that this can be done by the way.
That what can be done? You haphazardly cutting thru electric? Or you haphazardly removing a load bearing wall?

Cause I can do both....probably at the same time....

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