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wallmaxx · 09-10-2009, 10:24 PM

I was screwing Azek window trim today - and a thought hit me. I need more 2-by subframing on the outside of the trimmer to make a more solid connection for the siding end nailing. As you nail the siding (trying to hit the studs) there is rarely any sub-framing within 1 1/2" of the end of a piece of siding at a window (when you butt into the trim boards)

I thought of this.

Pros or cons?

Sorry for the caveman CAD - it was faster too draw this by hand rather than turn on the PC to fire up autoCAD.

**Gus Dering** · 09-10-2009, 10:31 PM

I think the low man on the totem pole can rip the 3/4 deck sheathing scraps and tack it in there with adhesive and 1 1/4" screws.

Do the same thing and use less dimensional lumber.

I like the way you think.

tomstruble · 09-10-2009, 10:32 PM

yea i was thinking 2x alitle overkill?interfere with insulation?

wallmaxx · 09-10-2009, 11:06 PM

I think mostly what was bugging me was nailing the siding close to the trim...there is almost never anything but sheathing. I want solid wood as much as possible.

N.Schiffer · 09-10-2009, 11:10 PM

I like the idea, but do I see it catching? Not unless the same guy framing is the same guy installing windows, because it's an additional cost and work. But it would make nailing window trim SO much better

wallmaxx · 09-11-2009, 12:34 AM

Lately I have been doing the framing (which includes setting windows and exterior doors) and the cornice / siding. I am going to start doing this on all my framing. My window trimmers shall be made with an "L" for the king, that is then attached to a cripple (s).

I shall take pix of the deed, once done.

nEighter · 09-11-2009, 12:54 AM

yeah that would be B/A to have it there for nailing.

wallmaxx · 09-11-2009, 01:27 AM

Here's a more thorough concept dwg.

**framerman** · 09-11-2009, 04:37 AM

How about double trimmers? Except for skinny windows, that's usually done anyway if that's your particular method of framing.

Timuhler · 09-11-2009, 07:52 AM

Mike,

I've been thinking of something similar. We've started using more 5/4x6 window trim (picture below) and there ain't nothing to nail to 5 1/2" away from the window and I'm not going to make all windows double trimmered (why do we as carps turn nouns into verbs?

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I was also thinking of doing that for the inside of the wall so there'd be backing for hanging curtains.

How do you like the Azek? We use the preprimed spruce down here. I've been by houses where we used this stuff in the late 90's and it is holding up well. Also, we started using CertainTeed fiber cement on the little house we are finishing up and it looks much better on the wall than Hardie.

cbfx3 · 09-11-2009, 07:56 PM

Ive done that before when needed..

woodworkbykirk · 09-11-2009, 08:33 PM

when i was framing r-2000 houses aka foam sheathing houses this was the standard practice as structural sheathing is ommitted . just t-straps and foam

eisert · 09-11-2009, 09:44 PM

I've been doing this for years, except that I use 2x6's, I like using 2x6 instead of 2x4 because it allows for more options on exterior window finish, and there's not a pile of 2x4 in my way during exterior wall framing. Just make sure to nail it to the king before trimmer instalation, it kind of sucks toenailing it in after the fact.

UpNorth · 09-11-2009, 11:00 PM

I gotta ask.

On a shingled house, what the heck is holding on all those shingles that are nailed just to sheathing? Are they all blowing off, or what?

Gotta be 50 percent of more of all those thousands of shingles up there, just nailed to the OSB, no studs for inches to the R or L.

Look out, below!

TimelessQuality · 09-11-2009, 11:29 PM

That's funny...shingles...i get it

It's not quite the same as a $40 stick of azek though

I've used that on the inside for curtain rods...
I like Gus's plan with the scrap..less interference w/ insulation

wallmaxx · 09-11-2009, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UpNorth

I gotta ask.

On a shingled house, what the heck is holding on all those shingles that are nailed just to sheathing? Are they all blowing off, or what?

Gotta be 50 percent of more of all those thousands of shingles up there, just nailed to the OSB, no studs for inches to the R or L.

Look out, below!

yeah. Those shingles are just as heavy as hardie...oh yeah, and I am looking forward to putting shingles on a plumb roof.

Where is MickeyCo with his apples to oranges comparison JPG?

You're funny. Well maybe not.

KennMacMoragh · 09-12-2009, 12:43 AM

If I can't hit a stud doing siding, I usually shoot a second nail in next to it.

Toolwh@#e · 09-13-2009, 10:25 PM

we used to do the same thing for a builder that used foam on all his houses. We also put an extra piece of backing in the corners. Basically we made a "U" instead of the "L" we used to using. Now I do it on custom houses getting wood siding. Cape cod siding needs solid nailr at all the edges.