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Old 11-23-2010, 08:23 AM   #1
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Nail Or Staple Plywood?


In the application of securing plywood decking/sheathing, which is preferred - nails or medium crown staple?

I'm seeing some great deals on 7/16" construction staplers, something we used in the day, but it seems most have gone to nails instead of staples.

Does anyone still staple roof and deck sheathing? You guys like the med crown stapler?

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Old 11-23-2010, 09:03 AM   #2
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I believe that a number of years ago the rules changed in my area. No stapling of wall sheathing etc. There may be exceptions to this, I've not done general framing for many years, but every site that I'm on folks are using nailers.

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We staple a lot of OSB on roofs in particular, I don't know if they hold any better than nails or not.... It's just something we've done for a long time.
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We don't staple as we don't like to have to carry another tool and staples.
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My main knock against stapling is that if a piece has to be pulled off the staples make a mess of things.
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i know guys that do staple around here but they are few and far between, most builders dont trust them, yes they have holding power but no shear strength
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Before we blather on too much from the seats of our Carhartts, some facts:

Wood shear walls are the most common element in the lateral force-resisting system of residential construction. Recent developments have made the use of staples, as a sheathing-to-stud connection, much more feasible and practical. Dynamic cyclic tests of wood shear walls using staples as connectors of sheathing to the studs were performed to determine load and displacement capacities. Enhanced details from standard construction were used to improve the performance of the global system including a double sill plate, a new refined panel corner detail, double staples along blocked edges, and backup bolts for hold-downs. At the strength level, the stapled wood shear walls with enhanced details performed above the International Building Code-IBC (ICC 2006) regarding peak load capacity; however, peak drift capacity was 88% of the specified capacity. The test results were used to determine acceptance criteria, which were compared to the ASCE 41-06 Standard for Seismic Rehabilitation of Existing Buildings (ASCE 2007). 2009 Earthquake Engineering Research Institute
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In the application of securing plywood decking/sheathing, which is preferred - nails or medium crown staple?

I'm seeing some great deals on 7/16" construction staplers, something we used in the day, but it seems most have gone to nails instead of staples.

Does anyone still staple roof and deck sheathing? You guys like the med crown stapler?

thanks, Bob
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You have to find out if your allowed first before you make any decisions.
Exactly Joe, code dictates first and foremost.
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Up here, it is rare to see sheeting nailed off. Almost everyone uses staples. Now, in OSB staples are far superior imho, but 3/8 ply a fullhead nail holds better. 1/2" ply is anyones game. All depends on amount shot in. I personally only use staples. Cheaper, easier to carry with me and faster to shoot in. Less air in the compressor being used as well.
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Nails have far more holding strength than staples per University of Miami, Miami/Dade building code. Here we can only use nails, we commonly use 8d or 2 1/2" .131 diameter, and somtimes 2 1/2" galvanized ring shanks, nailed 4-6" on the seams and 8" in the field. We cannot use OSB plywood either. Near the coast we must glue down our first run of plywood. The head of a nail has a greater surface area than a staple, plus I've tried to remove both during demo. I used staples in the Carolinas along with OSB.

Staples are much cheaper of course, so if your building code does not require nails, then use staples.
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I believe that a number of years ago the rules changed in my area. No stapling of wall sheathing etc. There may be exceptions to this, I've not done general framing for many years, but every site that I'm on folks are using nailers.
Nope, you were correct. Last time I checked you gotta nail. The sheathing is the lateral wall bracing. You could probably staple if you wanted to do lateral bracing of some other kind.
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I always nail plywood even though staples are cheaper plus its just one more tool to lug around.
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on the roof we use 7/16 osb sheathing with 1 1/2" med crown staples.

Same on the walls. except it's 3/8"
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NY code, actually "New York State Residential Building Code, 2006 Edition," which is current, specifies this for what is commonly used on sidewalls and roofs, namely 7/16 rated OSB and 5/8 rated OSB, respectively:

Sidewalls, 7/16" crown 16 gage staples x 1-3/4", 4" at edges and 8" in field spacing

Roofs, 7/16" crown 16 gage staples x 2", 3" edges and 6" in field.

The nail most used, if staples are not, is a gun-driven 2-3/8" x 0.113 ringshank. Spacing opens up a little if nails are used, but not much.

For sure, the staples are less expensive than the ringshanks. Also for sure, one needs a separate gun for the staples, but the guns are light and easy to use, and keep one from having to unload framing spikes from the nail gun and reload with ringshanks. A 16 gage stapler weighs maybe 5 pounds versus a spike gun at 7.5 pounds to 8, and its mag capacity for 16 gage staples is far more than a spiker has for ringshank 113s.

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on the roof we use 7/16 osb sheathing with 1 1/2" med crown staples.

Same on the walls. except it's 3/8"
Not to hijack my original post, but 7/16 inch OSB? You must have 16" o.c. to allow for such a thin sheathing.

On Habitat jobs, at least in Michigan, we use 9/16 minimum 24" o.c., but prefer and often use 5/8" for roof decks. Unfortunately, we are not allowed to have pneumatics on site so we end up pounding 8's anyway!

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Not to hijack my original post, but 7/16 inch OSB? You must have 16" o.c. to allow for such a thin sheathing.

On Habitat jobs, at least in Michigan, we use 9/16 minimum 24" o.c., but prefer and often use 5/8" for roof decks. Unfortunately, we are not allowed to have pneumatics on site so we end up pounding 8's anyway!

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Roof sheeting 7/16 16oc no H clips or 24OC with H clips.
They let 3/8 with H clips fly here on 24OC roof sheeting. I'm scared of it. I've went through a few sheets mid span
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Roof sheeting 7/16 16oc no H clips or 24OC with H clips.
They let 3/8 with H clips fly here on 24OC roof sheeting. I'm scared of it. I've went through a few sheets mid span


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Roof sheeting 7/16 16oc no H clips or 24OC with H clips.
They let 3/8 with H clips fly here on 24OC roof sheeting. I'm scared of it. I've went through a few sheets mid span
Wow! Okay, I guess to go code-plus doesn't hurt, that is, 9/16 or better. I've always thought 7/16 to be counter-intuitive; it's never felt stout enough to carry snow loads on roof pitch below 5:12 or, a heavy roofer, loaded with tools and dropping bundles between rafters would seem to invite disaster.

Habitat For Humanity has always defaulted, in my experience, to over-kill for fear of under building.

Thanks for the info, fellas. This is a very informative and professional forum - really appreciate it.

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