Modifying A Load Bearing Wall.

D.Foster · 01-03-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by borat_borat1950

wrong snoopy. adding a bar area or an additional opening are simple things.no remodeler or homeowner are going to get an eng. to look at this thing. You guys depend to much on the eng./ arch and have no sense when it comes to these things?

I don't know bout Arkansas, but in NY where i am, you need an adendum or some type of stamped drawing for the inspector to look at it. Surely you can work something out and present it to the Arch/Eng. But they need to to stamp it. If everyone just tried to figure it out, could you imagine the results. Or maybe that would create more work?? Good thing?
This is all relavent of course if there are load issues involved,..as suspected by wall.

D.Foster · 01-03-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by maceycon

I bought a hammer, a box of nails and hatchet at Home depot today. Someone asked me to put an addition on their house. I was the cheapest around and won the bid. Can someone tell me what to do next.

Thats hysterical

.I actually saw a GC bring a bag full of hammers and nail pouches to a job across the street once!! All guat "framers".

D.Foster · 01-03-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Double-A

I respectfully disagree. We do have an engineer consult on structural issues. We do this to protect ourselves and our clients. Common sense is fine. Experience has its place, but neither can take the place of due diligence in protecting our clients, our company and our families from the liabilities of ego and caviler attitudes.

Well said, this guy is some kind of cockey!!

Deicide1 · 01-03-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Double-A

I respectfully disagree. We do have an engineer consult on structural issues. We do this to protect ourselves and our clients. Common sense is fine. Experience has its place, but neither can take the place of due diligence in protecting our clients, our company and our families from the liabilities of ego and caviler attitudes.

You can't install a beam in a small(ish) opening like 6' all by yourself without an engineer telling you to do exactly what you know you need to do?

2''x10''s with a 1/2'' plywood in between will work just fine, atleast in that application.

Now, as goes for the original poster, disregard what I type above this, as I'm not sure you know what you're doing or even describing what you want to do accurately.

parkers5150 · 01-04-2009, 05:15 PM

wall to wall and some of the others ,respectfully we are talking about a six foot opening right ? engineers??? first of all when in doubt overbuild. more importantly you as a builder should definately have the knowledge/exp. to understand where the line for overbuilding even begins, otherwise pay the man and get out of the way. as far as the load in the basement is concerned, you,re not changing the load and therefore if what is there has worked in the past it should continue to suffice since like i said, your not changing the load. now if you are talking about temp bracing below while you are doing the work, then please see above about overbuilding.you've stated that you havent opened up the 8' wall, why not ? it has to get done to finish the job, or even more importantly to begin the job no?? if it is fear that has prevented you from opening up the other wall then it will be fear that gets you into trouble. you cannot do a job correctly until you completely understand what the scope of the job is. that being said you obviously came to this forum hoping to do just that and for that i have to commend you . the only stupid question is the "one not asked". As for the few on this forum that busted your balls about terminology...license... c'mon really?? I've read contributions by all of you and you definately have construction knowledge; but,if you take the time to let a little air out out of your chests,go back and read some of your past replies. with an objective point of view maybe you'll see what alot of other people are seeing,that is, a very sophmoric boys club attitude. if you build well then there will always be a need for you services. if you are worried about hacks, HO's, DIYers...etc... then maybe rather than being on a public forum, you should be honing some of those skills that you do or don't have. P.S. I myself have been in the construction field since 1983 ( no my chest is not puffed out, just a reference) and in ALL of that time, you guys and 99 percent of the guys in the trade ,myself included take any and every chance possible to point out where an arch. or eng. has "screwed the pooch" (tell me i'm wrong). yet in this forum all i hear is that YOU MUST CONSULT AN ENG./ARCH. blah blah blah. there is a time and a place for everything my friends and if i had to wait for an arch. or eng. all the time then i would probably be in the food servers forum right now

MALCO.New.York · 01-04-2009, 05:32 PM

5150 means..............

You be Nuts!!!

Google it!

parkers5150 · 01-04-2009, 05:43 PM

yes i have them and use them on occasion

MALCO.New.York · 01-04-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by parkers5150

yes i have them and use them on occasion

Great Comeback!!! Commendable! Shows "True Grit"!

Double-A · 01-04-2009, 06:12 PM

Parker, Deicide, and anyone else in the same frame of mind,

Ya, I can do exactly as Parker describes, but only with a firm knowledge of what is going on load wise. As for not changing the load, I disagree. You're taking what was spread over 6' with 4-5 studs, a sole plate, and sub-floor to two points 6' apart. Now, maybe the basement "doesn't really notice" the change, or maybe you're dealing with a support system that was marginal to begin with. Yes, I can make an educated guess, and my thoughts are I'll be right most of the time.

My point wasn't so much "anyone with enough experience can do this" as it is, "this is a very litigious society. If you don't cover your butt, do you think a jury of clueless file clerks, administrative assistants and cab drivers are gonna take your work over the word of a civil engineer or architect?" Roll them bones baby, you have a small chance of crapping out. Are you a gambler?

I'm not. My clients don't pay me to gamble. Its very little extra work to get engineering work done. I much prefer to err on the side of due diligence than on that of expedience and ego. Its really as simple as that. I really don't "need" an engineer to tell me how do to it, or at least I'd like to think I don't. I need that engineer to put his butt on the line so mine isn't.

JumboJack · 01-04-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Double-A

Parker, Deicide, and anyone else in the same frame of mind,

Ya, I can do exactly as Parker describes, but only with a firm knowledge of what is going on load wise. As for not changing the load, I disagree. You're taking what was spread over 6' with 4-5 studs, a sole plate, and sub-floor to two points 6' apart. Now, maybe the basement "doesn't really notice" the change, or maybe you're dealing with a support system that was marginal to begin with. Yes, I can make an educated guess, and my thoughts are I'll be right most of the time.

My point wasn't so much "anyone with enough experience can do this" as it is, "this is a very litigious society. If you don't cover your butt, do you think a jury of clueless file clerks, administrative assistants and cab drivers are gonna take your work over the word of a civil engineer or architect?" Roll them bones baby, you have a small chance of crapping out. Are you a gambler?

I agree.If the wall was only suporting a ceiling as aposed to floor joists it might not matter what is underneath.But if the wall is suporting a heavy load (like a second floor) it could be another story all togeather.

Burby · 01-04-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rbsremodeling

Where I am at anything that modifies a houses' structure has to have a drawing that is stamp showing an approved method of construction.

Do i know how to install a header or modify and opening. In most cases Yes. But the rules require that an architect or engineer review, draw and stamp a drawing that is approved before the work is done.

It sucks but that is the rule and in order to stay in compliance and not loose my license this is the way it is done

This is the way it is, & suppose to be, for everyone of us now building under the IRC. Any 6, 8, 10, 12, or greater opening, any one of us who are Lisc as a builder, framer, or remodel, with any experience, (because of engineered lumber & experience in using it) can or could create the openning without worry of structural failure.
But, that dang gum word, But, because of "some" who believed a Lisc also offer them the experience to do what ever, as well as those who believed they could do "what ever" without ever considering the what ifs, caused the new code change, "it must be approved by an Arc or Engineer".

There were enough structural failures caused by these people that caused this code change.
Codes change for reasons proven. Not just because someone had a brain storm and said, let's make more money for Archs & Engs
It takes more than one or 2 or 10 failures even to cause code changes.

If one wishes to argue or help improve codes, if truly qualified, become a professional member of the SBCCI.

If just H/Os caused these problems, I truly doubt, we the Contractor, would be held accountable for their actions.

As so many know, today it is so simple to become a Contractor with so very little experience.
In some respects having a required Lisc today causes more problems than not.
Because the requirements are so minor, just about anyone can become one.
But until the system improves it is what we have in place to try & control who is a Contractor.
Maybe if like driving, one had to get a learners permit before getting a lisc it would help. hmmmm maybe not, I guess that is why they have all the specialty or classifications lisc below a Builders lisc & that did not do much good, so we have codes to follow.

parkers5150 · 01-04-2009, 09:54 PM

and everyone drives the speed limit right??? as i stated there is truly a time and a place . there will always be people who cut corners as there will always be people whose mouths write checks that their brains can't cash. the positive side of this is that they are in the competition pool wich makes me fear them as much as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. now getting back to the OP, Wall stated that this project was for his sister and he was trying to save her a little cash (don't start typing yet) If wall has some skills, and if wall can get the correct advice and if wall can correctly tackle this job... then (a) wall would have saved his sis some money (b)wall would have gained some knowledge giving himself and therfore our industry more credibility. (c) hopefully the sucessful job would inspire others to ask questions and do things right the first time... last but not least wouldn't you all feel warm and fuzzy inside knowing that you perpetuatd knowledge wich is the basis for craftmanship wich gives us all a reason to be proud. sooo? Wall any pics yet? can you e-mail them to somone in the forum to post for you? did your sisters house fall down?

just kidding

MALCO.New.York · 01-04-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by parkers5150

and everyone drives the speed limit right??? as i stated there is truly a time and a place . there will always be people who cut corners as there will always be people whose mouths write checks that their brains can't cash. the positive side of this is that they are in the competition pool wich makes me fear them as much as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. now getting back to the OP, Wall stated that this project was for his sister and he was trying to save her a little cash (don't start typing yet) If wall has some skills, and if wall can get the correct advice and if wall can correctly tackle this job... then (a) wall would have saved his sis some money (b)wall would have gained some knowledge giving himself and therfore our industry more credibility. (c) hopefully the sucessful job would inspire others to ask questions and do things right the first time... last but not least wouldn't you all feel warm and fuzzy inside knowing that you perpetuatd knowledge wich is the basis for craftmanship wich gives us all a reason to be proud. sooo? Wall any pics yet? can you e-mail them to somone in the forum to post for you? did your sisters house fall down?

just kidding

Parker.........All here talk out of Both Sides Of Their Mouth, from time to time.........

We lie, say this or that, prevaricate, because it is, after all, Human Nature, but if Life and Limb are POSSIBLY at stake, why NOT CYA and call a person, firm or adjunct to put the blame on if things go afoul??? It is, after all, SMART Business!!!

wallmaxx · 01-04-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Double-A

expedience and ego.

No truer words spoken about many in our fields of endeavor.

Burby · 01-05-2009, 05:57 AM

If Mac, Foster, Double A or a dozzen others here posted the question or similar, they would have had the answer in minutes.
Why? Because they have proven thru other post they have knowledge in this line of work. They would need to be asked all the minute questions to ensure a safe end result, becaue they know all the details to look for, the terms, the importance of each small detail.
We could offer our thoughts, they would do the work, come back post the end reult pics & we all move on.

I would go in the attic space, look at the construction design in this area, (unless there was something to indicate loads were transferred to a single point in the area of concern), go below, remove the drywall needed, drill a pilot hole in the floor to be sure where to block & add a post or 2 if needed. (I have seen more than once where framers missed the carry beam by a foot or more in building the walls above)
Block between beam & floor above.
Build the needed header, install the jack studs in both locations, fasten only one side, leave the other loose on the top to move to allow for easy access of the beam.
Remove the studs in the space needed for the header, even if have to cut them because of electrical wires running thru.
Install the header, fasten the remaining jack stud, no supports on either ceiling, creating additional work.
That would be completed with exception to the wireing or plumbing, if any,
Drywall & trim if needed & be done with the project.
Then if something went wrong later, well that is easy, I would blame that dang painter!!!

But it wasn't one of the ones I would recommend, it wasn;t me, it wasn't in an area that i could run over, look at things for him, advise and roll on.

If he was sincere about tackling this project, would he not have had the drywall off to offer what ever by his 2nd reply??
Maybe he knows about working for family and was hoping for all the replies to say nooooooo the ceiling will fall!!!
Maybe he could have done the job with little effort.
Maybe he does not even have a skill saw, I dunno, from the post, I did not hear anyone say, remember when you did this or that & I helped you, to indicate they even knew him.

So imo, I have more respect for those that did not jump in and tell him to start tearing things down. One reason for this is, doing so, would offer a look at how they operate their own business in regards to codes & proceedures.
The words of people here can offer more than the post the words are in reference to, it offers a true look at the experience & reptutation of the one typing the words.

Here, that is why I would not use a Company name if offering advice that could come back on me. This is suppose to be a Pro site, A real lawyer, would have to say and have posted on the forum header that any & all advice received from these post cannot be used to hold any Contractor here liable.
A single sentence can be read one way, yet have as many different meanings as the readers reading them.
Additionally, if your company name is used & person gets pissed at you for offering the wrong info, or pissed just because, they can copy your post, run an add on Angie's or Craig's list say what they wish and you spend time & money repairing that damage.
Over kill??? yeah maybe, but can it happen?? Yeah it "does" happen.

Anyhow, that is my reasoning & I am sticking to it, until I choose to blame the Painter!!

WarnerConstInc. · 01-06-2009, 05:40 PM

I think the house fell in on him and he is dead. Where did he go? I need to make an opening in my house a little bit wider, its ballon framed out of Oak and has some wierd stud placements oh and not really any nails holding it together. I should be able to drive the skid steer in here and make it a little bit bigger right?

To the guys that have to have everything stamped and so forth, I do not envey you, that must eat up some time. Around here if you have a question or concern about something like this, the building inspector or city engineer will just stop out and take a look at it. I have pulled numerous permits with rough sketches on little more than note book paper. Guess it helps I go to BBQ's at the inspectors house.

JumboJack · 01-06-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WarnerConstInc.

I think the house fell in on him and he is dead. Where did he go? I need to make an opening in my house a little bit wider, its bollon framed out of Oak and has some wierd stud placements oh and not really any nails holding it together. I should be able to drive the shid steer in here and make it a little bit bigger right?

To the guys that have to have everything stamped and so forth, I do not envey you, that must eat up some time. Around here if you have a question or concern about something like this, the building inspector or city engineer will just stop out and take a look at it. I have pulled numerous permits with rough sketches on little more than note book paper. Guess it helps I got to BBQ's at the inspectors house.

I envy you.I needed to add a divising wall in a pet grooming shop and the city acted like I was building a skyscraper...

WarnerConstInc. · 01-06-2009, 06:14 PM

I have no problems giving the city or county my money for the services they provide, most times they tell me not to worry about it!!

nj handyman · 01-06-2009, 06:46 PM

Its frustrating when you are having a hard time finding enough work to keep your guys busy and then you read these forum and there are people that have no clue what they are doing asking us how to do the job they probably under bid us on. Every once in awhile you run into something you haven't seen before and its nice to have a place where experienced people can put their heads together, but when you have people wanting to know what size header to use for a 6' opening in a load bearing wall or how to cut crown moldings on a vaulted ceiling or why the roof I just over ventilated has condensation problems. I'm sorry guys just frustrated things are slow and I lose work every day to people who are clueless and underbid me because they do not carry insurance or pay taxes and are not licensed. I feel some of us are helping them here.

---------------

i'm getting out the violin, macycon. and next time i have a question about how to cut crown for a vaulted ceiling i will certainly call you to do it for me. oh wait, there is an entire thread about this subject...

D.Foster · 01-06-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by WarnerConstInc.

I think the house fell in on him and he is dead. Where did he go? I need to make an opening in my house a little bit wider, its ballon framed out of Oak and has some wierd stud placements oh and not really any nails holding it together. I should be able to drive the skid steer in here and make it a little bit bigger right?

To the guys that have to have everything stamped and so forth, I do not envey you, that must eat up some time. Around here if you have a question or concern about something like this, the building inspector or city engineer will just stop out and take a look at it. I have pulled numerous permits with rough sketches on little more than note book paper. Guess it helps I go to BBQ's at the inspectors house.

Our inspectors out here take insulation inspections to another level, let alone the framing!! They think they are god's, questioning the engineers drawings too!

01-04-2009, 05:15 PM	#45
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Burby View Profile Burby Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (359) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: Remodel / repairs / Certified Mold inspector, Remediator Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 359	Re: Modifying A Load Bearing Wall. If Mac, Foster, Double A or a dozzen others here posted the question or similar, they would have had the answer in minutes. Why? Because they have proven thru other post they have knowledge in this line of work. They would need to be asked all the minute questions to ensure a safe end result, becaue they know all the details to look for, the terms, the importance of each small detail. We could offer our thoughts, they would do the work, come back post the end reult pics & we all move on. I would go in the attic space, look at the construction design in this area, (unless there was something to indicate loads were transferred to a single point in the area of concern), go below, remove the drywall needed, drill a pilot hole in the floor to be sure where to block & add a post or 2 if needed. (I have seen more than once where framers missed the carry beam by a foot or more in building the walls above) Block between beam & floor above. Build the needed header, install the jack studs in both locations, fasten only one side, leave the other loose on the top to move to allow for easy access of the beam. Remove the studs in the space needed for the header, even if have to cut them because of electrical wires running thru. Install the header, fasten the remaining jack stud, no supports on either ceiling, creating additional work. That would be completed with exception to the wireing or plumbing, if any, Drywall & trim if needed & be done with the project. Then if something went wrong later, well that is easy, I would blame that dang painter!!! But it wasn't one of the ones I would recommend, it wasn;t me, it wasn't in an area that i could run over, look at things for him, advise and roll on. If he was sincere about tackling this project, would he not have had the drywall off to offer what ever by his 2nd reply?? Maybe he knows about working for family and was hoping for all the replies to say nooooooo the ceiling will fall!!! Maybe he could have done the job with little effort. Maybe he does not even have a skill saw, I dunno, from the post, I did not hear anyone say, remember when you did this or that & I helped you, to indicate they even knew him. So imo, I have more respect for those that did not jump in and tell him to start tearing things down. One reason for this is, doing so, would offer a look at how they operate their own business in regards to codes & proceedures. The words of people here can offer more than the post the words are in reference to, it offers a true look at the experience & reptutation of the one typing the words. Here, that is why I would not use a Company name if offering advice that could come back on me. This is suppose to be a Pro site, A real lawyer, would have to say and have posted on the forum header that any & all advice received from these post cannot be used to hold any Contractor here liable. A single sentence can be read one way, yet have as many different meanings as the readers reading them. Additionally, if your company name is used & person gets pissed at you for offering the wrong info, or pissed just because, they can copy your post, run an add on Angie's or Craig's list say what they wish and you spend time & money repairing that damage. Over kill??? yeah maybe, but can it happen?? Yeah it "does" happen. Anyhow, that is my reasoning & I am sticking to it, until I choose to blame the Painter!! __________________ Proud to help make a house your Home Never judge another by one's own intelligence

01-06-2009, 05:40 PM	#56
WarnerConstInc. View Profile WarnerConstInc. I like Green things Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (11,688) Photos (0) Reviews (9) Projects (1) Toolbox (10) View All Activity I like Green things Trade: Custom Carpentry Services Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In a van, down by the river. Auburn, IN Posts: 11,688	Re: Modifying A Load Bearing Wall. I think the house fell in on him and he is dead. Where did he go? I need to make an opening in my house a little bit wider, its ballon framed out of Oak and has some wierd stud placements oh and not really any nails holding it together. I should be able to drive the skid steer in here and make it a little bit bigger right? To the guys that have to have everything stamped and so forth, I do not envey you, that must eat up some time. Around here if you have a question or concern about something like this, the building inspector or city engineer will just stop out and take a look at it. I have pulled numerous permits with rough sketches on little more than note book paper. Guess it helps I go to BBQ's at the inspectors house. Last edited by WarnerConstInc.; 01-06-2009 at 08:59 PM.

01-06-2009, 06:14 PM	#58
WarnerConstInc. View Profile WarnerConstInc. I like Green things Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (11,688) Photos (0) Reviews (9) Projects (1) Toolbox (10) View All Activity I like Green things Trade: Custom Carpentry Services Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: In a van, down by the river. Auburn, IN Posts: 11,688	Re: Modifying A Load Bearing Wall. I have no problems giving the city or county my money for the services they provide, most times they tell me not to worry about it!!

01-06-2009, 06:46 PM	#59
nj handyman View Profile nj handyman Member Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (56) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Member Trade: handyman/contractor, north new jersey Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 56	Re: Modifying A Load Bearing Wall. Its frustrating when you are having a hard time finding enough work to keep your guys busy and then you read these forum and there are people that have no clue what they are doing asking us how to do the job they probably under bid us on. Every once in awhile you run into something you haven't seen before and its nice to have a place where experienced people can put their heads together, but when you have people wanting to know what size header to use for a 6' opening in a load bearing wall or how to cut crown moldings on a vaulted ceiling or why the roof I just over ventilated has condensation problems. I'm sorry guys just frustrated things are slow and I lose work every day to people who are clueless and underbid me because they do not carry insurance or pay taxes and are not licensed. I feel some of us are helping them here. --------------- i'm getting out the violin, macycon. and next time i have a question about how to cut crown for a vaulted ceiling i will certainly call you to do it for me. oh wait, there is an entire thread about this subject...

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