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Old 08-15-2018, 08:17 PM   #1
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I have situation where I build a 3 LVL header. But wall is 2X4 so 3. LVL do not sit below top plate. I have 2X3 2X6 trim studs and bottom plate is of course 2X4 again. I did nail LVLs together but along way I sow LVL headers connected together with GRKs, tm structural screws. Should this be a situation to do it?
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What a strange stage of the project to start thinking about it
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sloppy looking demo....

5 gallons of diesel and a match would help...
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Do I want somebody who has career malaise doing structural remodeling on my property?

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Seriously Tipi, If you use the proper size LVL you can get away with a double. I've carried an entire 2nd story load including roof in this way
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A good crown molding installer should be able to take care of it!

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Cover it with two inch paint.


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Just float it out in the drywall. Should be fine


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Only one answer that help something. About this project. 1. I have no only blue print. I have full plan in full size. Guy who is GC here is in business over 30 years. Project is not mess as just past year all alone I did all carpentry at one 125 years old house. Etc not willing to get engaged in useless discussion. One say I have doubt about my carrier. At age 54 I have full right to go out of tough job.

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I had a oversized header called out in a wall I didnt have space to fur out for bearing. So as usual I had to tell the idiot architect to take another road like a 1/2" steel flitch with two ply instead.
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Fur it out, extend window jambs and jack up the price.
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^^^ I had to google to see what furring mean. I do all time it. Even made a tread about it in past and get laugh at. It is list problem to prepare it for sheetrock. Would like to know how force 3. LVL that is out of top plate to carry some load to. Furring will obviously not help with it much.
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I thing all insulation should be removed before I start. At last exposed insulation. Yeah mess. I have a lot of photos where is not mess in my portfolio. However I do not call shots here.
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Well as I'm called in structural things it is how I do. Standard windows and doors at first floor 2X10 headers. At second 2X8 headers. Always checked by city inspector, always. It is not from my pocket, would be biggest idiot at planet if would not call them. Remember one case where dormer valley crack before 6 years under roofers. I was called to fix it temporary like an emergency. One week after went to city inspector let them know I fixed it temporary. So it do not have anything with me any more.
For special structural situation like one in photo go to Menards, if not engineer is called for. From Menards go to city inspectors for stamp. Always so. Btw like self employed replaced several hundred of headers and never problem. I learn long time go that skills.
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I thing all insulation should be removed before I start. At last exposed insulation. Yeah mess. I have a lot of photos where is not mess in my portfolio. However I do not call shots here.
Don't you think you should take a peek below that floor (crawlspace or basement) and see where the loads are going to be resting?

What if the joists, band, and sill plate directly below your new studs are rotted, split, or damaged by termites?

Is there plenty of blocking between the floor joists where the loads are going to rest?

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^^^ I do always check it and do blocking if need. Both header, there is two of them sit at blocks and blocks at brick walls. That big one in photo GC at project call OK because per him 2X4 wall sit at external rim board. He is not inexperienced, he is forever in this business to. I did slide blocks under one side of one header.
However very good call and probably will double check tomorrow. Will cut subfloor like usually to see what is below that big header that GC called it is at rim boards. If I slide blocks I thing it would be better pile a few of them lie at bricks than put them vertically.

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Btw I'm framing carpenter that do trim to. NO another way. When I worked for companies it was so to. Only one home builder hold trimmers at payroll but framing as subs and I was employed buy them.

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