Gable Studs

FramingPro

smothering huh...ahahhahaha thats true but im learning so bear with me

FramingPro

With common rafters the total rise is to the top of the ridgeboard right? But with the pitch if you measure 12 inches in should the unit rise be to the top or bottom of the rafter?

L@EConstruction

"FramingPro" Might want to rethink your username....

The rise is depending on your depth of cut in your birds mouth...If you have 4 in left in the rafter vertically you have to count that to get your rise..

KennMacMoragh

It's just a name, it's fine, he's 13 and wants to be a framer when he grows up, so he's trying to learn. Someone will have to take over when we get old and pass out anyway

FramingPro, get a book on roof framing, you'll find the rise is the theoretical rise, the actual rise accounts for adjustments made in the bottom and top of the roof rafters. The pitch can be at either the top or bottom of the rafter, it will be the same either way, as the pitch is simply the angle of the rafter.

knucklehead

Do you have a framing square and a board?

smeagol

Maybe scaling it out on some graph paper would help?

festerized

rafter total rise

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CStanford

Nice work.

FramingPro

I have 3 framing books

FramingPro

yaa..

KennMacMoragh

Cool, as do I. They should cover roof cutting theory somewhere, as far as rise, run, pitch, and what they mean.

FramingPro

they do cover that but it has 2 different diagrams and im not sure which i should follow

FramingPro

Tim what are you saying about the rafter rise..did lone explain it well..I just want 2 opinions

FramingPro

If they frown upon it then which way do you do it there?

FramingPro

Ive come a long way

FramingPro

That is what i have found, i extended my ridge through but it still bounced but once i got my fascia on it was strong.

CanningCustom

Tim are you running the 400psi compressor with those guns? man i want that set up. Nice work too, that's how i do my wall as well. I've have never had an issue with my walls and roof lining up nicely, man i wish i could get to do the ceiling once in a while,i take all my measurements and disappear, while my guys do the ceiling i cut the roof and boom the whole thing up in one giant pile. Also Nick keep asking questions little man you are gonna be great, and i don't live in New Jersey (anymore) i'll give you a job when you are old enough, i'm just down the 401 from ya bud.

jimAKAblue

"It is my opinion that our primary goal should be a good frame. That being said, we should learn, develop and apply techniques to achieve this goal, but in the most productive manner possible"

Tim, I'm glad to see that you have refined your wall sheathing and overhang building techniques. I knew you would. The more you do it, the more you realize that you can.

I have a question and comment. The question is about the gable that you are showing getting stood up. You show a cutout for the beam and you've got three studs supporting it. I can't see what it all is sitting on though because you never show that particular wall in it's stood up position. Is the ridge support landing on a beam/header that spans the window?

My comment. Given that you want to be "as productive as possible"....are you aware that you are sometimes adding three, sometimes four, extra members in your gable assemblys? To understand where the "extra" members are, you should mentally build the gable, set all the trusses, sheath the roof, and then start taking out every possible part that you have installed in the gable. Rethink each part from that context.

The key to that thinking is that you have to think about each gable in it's final finished position, complete with all sheathings and wall finishes.

Good looking work by the way.

Timuhler

Blue,,

Thanks for the comments. I'll have to look back in the thread to see what you are referring to

If it is the gable I'm thinking of, there might have been siesmic requirements and blocking that were spec'd that I had to put in the wall.

We are doing a lot more component framing now, although not on the one we are on since I was gone for the upstairs wall framing. But it is is something we are difinitely trying more often. Especiall the soffits. This house we are on would have been perfect for that.

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jimAKAblue

I forgot to mention that I shuddered when I saw that you had added a nailing block on top of the gable to secure the straps. I tried dozens of various hook methods, including that style but I never felt secure with "scabbed blocks".

The final method that I consistently chose was to indentify the hook points BEFORE I framed the wall/gable, and then, during the framing process, make sure I left a spot to positively wrap a wall. Sometimes, the strap was the first thing laid down for the build. It's not hard to make a positive wrap if you plan for it.