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Old 08-29-2009, 07:31 PM   #21
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Where do you keep them.....in your belt? 40' in the air? It's a great idea, but they are more of a hassle come truss day IMO!

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Old 08-29-2009, 07:39 PM   #22
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Where do you keep them.....in your belt? 40' in the air? It's a great idea, but they are more of a hassle come truss day IMO!

Ground man can nail em on.

Used them and they work good,Just have to double check for stretching off layout if they aren't nailed consistantly.
Without a ground man,we've kept a box on top of rolling bakers or a plank stretched across plates.
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Make life easy for your saw man, your ground man who nails the initial braces on, and your truss setters... all at once.

All the saw man has to do is whack up braces about 28-30 inches long. Scraps any length around there will do. Just so long as they are of a length to span one truss to the next.

All the ground man has to do is put one nail in close to one end of the brace. No measuring really necessary.

Give each setting man an accurately cut gauge piece. He hooks the arriving truss to the previously set truss with the gauge, close to where the brace is nailed. He then pivots the brace (or braces) waiting on the previously set truss up over top of the newly arrived truss, and fires away with the nail gun. No measuring nor aligning brace ends or marks necessary.

An additional benefit to this method is that the braces fly up pivoted down (or "up", your choice) along the top chord of the truss, and are not likely to strike anything nor get knocked loose.

The gauge keeps everything accurate... AND it is left in place hanging on the "just set" pair while the next truss is on its way up. (Just a little added security) All your setting man does is slip it up off that pair, and hook the next set. All ready to nail again.

No one, anywhere, has to measure anything nor line up anything. It is super simple to just hook the gauge on.

One hazard to the braces fitting in between trusses, as the second poster here suggests, is that there is VERY LITTLE of the nail points penetrating either end grain of the brace. (a very POOR area to hope will hold a nail) Let your set man trip once and shift even half of his weight against the latest truss set, and he and that truss are likely to come down QUICK. All bracing nails should be in "shear"... never so they can slide right out of a side stressed truss... and never just into end grain.
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And just as a side note. You get caught ignoring that pink bracing sheet around here when setting trusses, and your butt could find itself in a BIG sling real quick. The local Big Brother frowns severely on that.
We toe nail them securely ... not just end nail. I also have a continuous run of diagonals in zig zag fashion to keep things from getting dangerous. I like the inbetweens so I can leave them instead of having a bunch of stuff to tear off while sheeting. They are nailed on on the ground so I will have one guy at each end and on in the middle and as soon as truss as in place everybody nails their blocks.This way them men up top dont have to handle anything other than a gun. The blocks are usually 8' centers but sometimes I have to do them 4' centers for piercing blocks for the edges of the plywood and in that case I will nail them in a "flat" position.


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I have been curious to try those! Do they cause the truss layout to "creep up"? I and anal about my blocks being 22 7/16" which seems to keep the 2' centers working over the length of the building. Your pic looks like it requires an actual nail... I seem to recall seeing some that had a built in cleat that you just smacked them in place with hammer.
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actual nail... I seem to recall seeing some that had a built in cleat that you just smacked them in place with hammer.





Yep I would trust that!
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Now, that's cool! I could be happy with that setup. Spacing and cleat, all in one... And you can leave it in place. Looks like you can get two nails in each end... from different directions. That one ain't comin' out.
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Old 08-29-2009, 08:59 PM   #26
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What do those things cost though? Made by Simpson, so I know they wont be cheap!
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$11.50 for a box of 50. Seems like too much
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$11.50 for a box of 50. Seems like too much

That's 23 cents apiece... that can't be right.
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$11.50 for a box of 50. Seems like too much
I'm not stirring the pot here. Just asking a question.

But do all those precut 2x4's you use all end up in the frame some where or in the debris pile? How much are they worth?
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$111.50 my bad Gus
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We use most of those precuts for permanent truss bracing. I dont think I have ever thrown a precut in the dumpster. You can also cut them into blocks for soffits and such. You can turn a precut into blocks, but you can't turn blocks into precuts.
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If its high I like to start off with a section prebuilt on the ground. These were 50' trusses.



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We use most of those precuts for permanent truss bracing. I dont think I have ever thrown a precut in the dumpster. You can also cut them into blocks for soffits and such. You can turn a precut into blocks, but you can't turn blocks into precuts.
That is what I was figuring you would say. Good on you.

You would shoot someone for the stuff in some of the debris piles I get to see when I go to measure a job right after the sticks are done.

I wish i took a picture of one in particular last week. I could have framed a decent shed out of that pile. Made me wanna puke.

$2.25 a piece would make those brackets a tough nut to swallow.
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Can't you find some money for a saw stand?
Everything was already cut for wall parts. The saw was set up to fill in cuts on top plates. It's easier to set up on the floor for long plates and minimal cutting.
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Often when doing a house that has several two story walls, we will schedule a crane to lift them. We will usually have the rest of the walls braced and layed out so that we can boom up some joists and plywood. There have been several times, when we have built a two story wall on the second floor deck, and lowered it down into position. I am constanly looking for the easiest and/or best way to do just about everything on the jobsite.
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I have used the folding spacers for setting trusses. They are not intended for structural bracing, but work well to get them up and running. I have used them on stick framed roofs to set layout on long rafters to eliminate pulling layouts while sheathing. If layout starts to creap, you can easily hack one loose to get your butts to break.
They are much more reasonable cost wise and there is no removal, just sheath over them.
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Warren, must be an Ohio thing because your truss setting process is identical to the way I've always done it. I'm not doing the "killer cleat" thing because I've heard some horror stories. I saw the Simpson spacers a few years back but I've never had an issue with my current method, with the exception of one time. And that was a poor tag-line guy so I attributed it to user-error.

Loneframer, please expand on the fire-rating if you could. Did I misunderstand, or do you guys have to double sheath your decks?
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I have used the folding spacers for setting trusses. They are not intended for structural bracing, but work well to get them up and running. I have used them on stick framed roofs to set layout on long rafters to eliminate pulling layouts while sheathing. If layout starts to creap, you can easily hack one loose to get your butts to break.
They are much more reasonable cost wise and there is no removal, just sheath over them.

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Loneframer, please expand on the fire-rating if you could. Did I misunderstand, or do you guys have to double sheath your decks?
We had the option of 1" plywood, but many of the lots were too small for proper use of a lift, so most material was pumped up by hand. None of the local yards were stocking 1" ply either, so two layers became the norm. Many of my jobs were over/under duplexes. Ceilings were typically double 5/8" type X rock also, with 5/8" type X on all bearing walls. We usually did 5/8" X on all walls to simplify things for the drywall subs.
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