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Old 07-25-2008, 10:30 PM   #1
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Carpenters Kale, Cale, Kail ? Orange Crayon.


Anyone remember carpenter's kale. I remember buying it and using it back in the 70's but I think sharpies took the place. I was working in a house built in 1888 and you could see that kale was used quite a bit. I'm just trying to fiqure out how to spell kale??
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Old 07-25-2008, 11:45 PM   #2
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Re: Carpenters Kale, Cale, Kail ? Orange Crayon.


It's a kiel crayon to be exact.
Most guys used blue, but they
come in red, yellow and black too.

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http://www.toolbarn.com/category/lumbercrayons/
http://www.filmtools.com/lumcraybydix.html
Just to be sure, they include a kiel holder.
http://www.hayesinstrument.com/cgi-b...28108076888.83
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Yeah, thanks. That's what I was looking for... I actually had found a land sales map from 1888 in one of my attics and it was marked up with keil. I figure the guy was doing carpentry in Colorado Springs and buying sections,
(1 mi sq), of land around Limon Colorado... A guy probably had to bang alot of nails to buy a dozen sections even at $3/ acre.. ... Anyone still use keil??

Just as a side not: the govt kept every other section figuring the price would go up a little. Ranchers could lease these ajoining sections for a few cents a year to run cattle.
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I use one for marking header sizes and RO's. More reliable than a marker IMO.
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Yeah, I like them, but they're harder
to find than a sharpie these days.
You've got me going now,
and I'm gonna have to dig some up.
I know there was another brand
besides Dixon that we used to get
most of the time.
BTW: It's pronounced "keel,"
guess they have something to do
with the German town.
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you can find the irwin crayons about anywhere. I've got a black one in my belt I use from time to time for making layout marks on the foundation or floor, marking crowns, marking cut sizes on materials, making warning signs (No step), ect.
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Well, I larned something today I guess. I thought it was a "keel".

Mine broke long ago and never replaced it. Forgot all about it until you brought this up. Wood with a little black plastic cap on the butt end.
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Forgot all about it until you brought this up.
Yeah i forgot about it too. I was just thinking about the orange marks on the 1888 Land Sales Map and was trying to pin it down to a carpenter that would have worked on the house. Of course in 1888 the electricains were still all unemployed and the plumbers were just starting to figure out gravity so it would have to be a carpenter..

Being a little bit of a historian I'd like to know if the carpenter ever got his 18,000 acres..

Three years after 1888 gold was discovered in Cripple Creek Co and a bunch of the local carpenters headed for the mountains. One of the local carpenters hit the richest vein ever in Colorado and learned to hate money. Always like to see a carp hit it big but it likely killed him.
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When I got to Colorado in 1978 keil or keel was always orange,( probably one of those regional things). I suspect in 1888 orange was the color around here also.
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Yeah i forgot about it too. I was just thinking about the orange marks on the 1888 Land Sales Map and was trying to pin it down to a carpenter that would have worked on the house. Of course in 1888 the electricains were still all unemployed and the plumbers were just starting to figure out gravity so it would have to be a carpenter..

Being a little bit of a historian I'd like to know if the carpenter ever got his 18,000 acres..

Three years after 1888 gold was discovered in Cripple Creek Co and a bunch of the local carpenters headed for the mountains. One of the local carpenters hit the richest vein ever in Colorado and learned to hate money. Always like to see a carp hit it big but it likely killed him.
Didn't work out all that well for James Marshall.
Died broke after all the fuss at Sutter's mill.
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Didn't work out all that well for James Marshall.
Died broke after all the fuss at Sutter's mill.
Winfield Scott Stratton, (carpenter), didn't die broke but died a broken man. Generous in his life and more generous in his death, his money still funds many things in this area.

Bob Womack, (rancher), who first discovered gold in Cripple Creek , died penniless.

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