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Old 09-13-2018, 04:49 PM   #21
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Case in point. There are applications where There's no wall at all. The stair rail can terminate into itself.


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Old 09-13-2018, 04:56 PM   #22
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Case in point. There are applications where There's no wall at all. The stair rail can terminate into itself.


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These rails are custom made I install often on homes that have never failed an inspection.


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Returning into itself is no different.

Nowhere in the code foes it require a handrail to terminate into anything. It just needs to be returned. It says returned or terminated.


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Show me the code. I need it in writing from the IRC. That's all that counts.

And my railing returns around to itself. It does a complete 180. Makes it legal.

Return and terminate aren't the same.


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That little word "or" counts.




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the point of the railing return at the top is so clothing does not catch on it .a sleeve ,purse or coat catching could drop someone down the stairs .
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the point of the railing return at the top is so clothing does not catch on it .a sleeve ,purse or coat catching could drop someone down the stairs .


Returned doesn't mean terminated to the wall. That's all I'm saying. Terminated and returned aren't the same.



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Those stairs only need to meet code at the time the home was built. 1976


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I think upgrading the other guard and handrails might put that into a gray area.
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I think upgrading the other guard and handrails might put that into a gray area.


No it doesn't. The only time your need to bring something into current code is if you take it out of code first. The only thing I took out of code was when I removed the handrail. I brought it into current code because it's returned. That's per IRC.


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thanks all .talking this out helped . I "believe " I found the handrail type/brand .more measuring is needed before i order but my thinking is i just change out the cap piece then continue it down and around .
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thanks all .talking this out helped . I "believe " I found the handrail type/brand .more measuring is needed before i order but my thinking is i just change out the cap piece then continue it down and around .
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does not need to be continuous, it is even with the top nosing. It has to terminate to something ( newel, wall ) or a termination easing

Mikes railing does not matter as long as it met code in 1976
Just pointing to an option and some pics.

I'm a bit curious what the other wall offers. Am I the only one?
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Just pointing to an option and some pics.

I'm a bit curious what the other wall offers. Am I the only one?
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the other wall is the same only different . same railing detail on top and an open stair below with the railing pattern as infill . both sides have the same design on top .
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That is different than your house rail. It is closed, your house is open.
If it's ok with your inspector fine. I'm pointing out the inspector here failed me for an "open" rail. Problem being at the top of the step and falling down the stairs vs falling up the stairs from the bottom.

I can easily see the code wording as being interpretive by the inspector.
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Inspectors should ban windows and stairs and mandate padding on all walls.
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From what I was told by an inspector the railing return rule was started by an inspector whose mother flipped down the stairs when her housecoat pocket got caught on the railing. It took him almost 2 years for it get into the book.

Banning stairs is next
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That is different than your house rail. It is closed, your house is open.

If it's ok with your inspector fine. I'm pointing out the inspector here failed me for an "open" rail. Problem being at the top of the step and falling down the stairs vs falling up the stairs from the bottom.



I can easily see the code wording as being interpretive by the inspector.


But you can't show me a return is required to be closed in the IRC. Closed is terminated. They aren't the same. I can't tell you how many times I've known more about that code book than the inspector.


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From what I was told by an inspector the railing return rule was started by an inspector whose mother flipped down the stairs when her housecoat pocket got caught on the railing. It took him almost 2 years for it get into the book.



Banning stairs is next


Funny, because nowhere in the code book does it mention clothing. Albeit I understand the concept and agree with it. It's not anywhere in the IRC. From what I've read.


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