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Old 12-06-2017, 05:48 PM   #1
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Is It Ok To Toe Screws Some Newel Posts?


I have situation similar to that in photo only long part is lending not rake.
First (and in my case) second posts are solidly screwed with lag bolts. To left it go to wall. I do believe that wall and two front posts will hold it strong. I know to have strong navel post you need two lag how far apart is possible. I forget my phone at project so no picture of project till tommorow but I guess question is ok.
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Re: Is It Ok To Toe Screws Some Newel Posts?


Newel post, not navel post.

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As long as a 300 pound drunk can bump into it, then it's fine.
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The title brought back memories of a party I once went to. OK, more than one.
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That's funny right there
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I've done a newel post using 2 structural screws per side. They have to be long enough to get solidly into the framing. Predrill the holes.
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"toe screws"
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First, I clicked on this because it was Tipi. Can't resist reading one of his posts. Usually they are in line with a crossword puzzle. This one, was pretty easy.

So....tipi, I like your posts.

Then I saw the toe screws. My grandfather ran screws through the sides of his boots, so they would grip the ice. Been years ago. Thanks for the memory.
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if you are talking about the newel post at the top of the landing, go to Lowes and buy the LJ Smith newel post mounting kit, which is a long lag bolt with machine thread on the other end.

if that's your route for mounting the post, it may be an offset hole in the bottom of the newel-you want the lag to penetrate the 2x12 header below.

Once had a case where there the joist was off so I installed this lag at an angle and bent it where my post was to be mounted. it was solid as a rock.
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if you are talking about the newel post at the top of the landing, go to Lowes and buy the LJ Smith newel post mounting kit, which is a long lag bolt with machine thread on the other end.

if that's your route for mounting the post, it may be an offset hole in the bottom of the newel-you want the lag to penetrate the 2x12 header below.

Once had a case where there the joist was off so I installed this lag at an angle and bent it where my post was to be mounted. it was solid as a rock.
Im guessing itís wiggly and he wants to firm it up.
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No need for guessing here are photos. Idea is it is not wigly. I have enough strenght in other posts. Just want save 20$ (long bolt) and some time. Is it that long bolt was only 9,97 before or I'm wrong.
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When we are at topic I found that strength of newel post depend at only one thing - space between upper and lower fastening points. So sinking post in frame is best, second is that long bolt that cost 20$. Other do not worth much.
Here is some guy at rockler web page - "Newel Post Fastener bolt
I have set very many newel posts during my career as a finishing carpenter. Having tried many mounting techniques over my 40 year career, this is possatively the best. For a rock solid railing I use this, and no other, system. When propperly installed into good backing your newel post will remain solid and stable for a lifetime of use."
What I do with bottom newel post, I always move it to second tread if I can not sink in floor it. Those two I installed before 2 years and just checked other day by the chance and they are rock solid.
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Should that be inferior to long bolts. Between horizontal part and vertical screws is only like 2,5 inches. However it is 4 of that plates. I'm not expert in newel posts. Would like to know more.
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No need for guessing here are photos. Idea is it is not wigly. I have enough strenght in other posts. Just want save 20$ (long bolt) and some time. Is it that long bolt was only 9,97 before or I'm wrong.
Your corner post will be strong because it is attached to two other posts one direction and the wall the other direction.
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^^^ So is my opinion to. I guess mid post would not work that way as would be capable to move in one direction.
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That post location isn't a problem. You could probably keep in place with bubble gum, and not have it fail.

IMO, having the end post at the far end solid is by far the most important thing, then the middle post is a close second.
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I installed stairs for 13 years every day. No toe screws will hold up. Those metal brackets work okay. a long bolt kit works okay but really is not very strong. We always ran a nosing, facia, and cover so the post was notched to run down on face of drywall 8 inches and face of baluster was face of fascia. Put four screws in the post face and plug them. Strong
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When we are at topic I found that strength of newel post depend at only one thing - space between upper and lower fastening points. So sinking post in frame is best, second is that long bolt that cost 20$. Other do not worth much.
Here is some guy at rockler web page - "Newel Post Fastener bolt
I have set very many newel posts during my career as a finishing carpenter. Having tried many mounting techniques over my 40 year career, this is possatively the best. For a rock solid railing I use this, and no other, system. When propperly installed into good backing your newel post will remain solid and stable for a lifetime of use."
What I do with bottom newel post, I always move it to second tread if I can not sink in floor it. Those two I installed before 2 years and just checked other day by the chance and they are rock solid.
That wouldn't pass code around here. The rail stops short.
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That would pass code around here. The rail stops short.
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