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Old 11-09-2017, 05:48 PM   #1
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I'm trying to put the final piece of crown on after someone else couldn't finish. I think he just went with 45, but ended up at like a 55 degree angle somehow. Anyway, am I correct in saying his cut is too short on the long point?

His is on the left, my scrap on the right. Great part is the other side is exactly opposite.

I don't do much is any crown, but I don't think this is my screw up?



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Old 11-09-2017, 05:59 PM   #2
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So, what are you looking for, affirmation - or a fix?

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Rip it down and start over.
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Just making sure it twernt me.

I'm making a plumb cut a couple feet out and redoing the angle. HOs call.

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Are those both from the same millwork? If you're is mitered at 45. And his was a different angle then there would be a gap in some of that. So since the miter touches all the way through. And only half of the profile matches. I wonder if it is from two different killings? Like trying to match up a Ford engine to a Chevy transmission?
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They weren't cut at the same spring angle, so one of them is wrong. Coping is your friend.
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That's what I was gonna say. I think the spring angle is different.

Most of the time, it's 38 degrees.

Unless you (they) cut it flat with a compound miter saw, they had to cut it at its' proper spring angle. Unless they built a fence and paid attention to detail, it could conceivably be at just about any angle.



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No, but not your crowning achievement, either.





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It was the same milling. I don't think he worried about spring angle at all.
One side was 55 degrees and the other was like 35 degrees if I had to guess at a standard angle and spring angle was off. He quit because the corners weren't 90 degrees.

I ended up having to work my way into it on both sides, then we were short material by 18 inches.

It was close enough to caulk, which I can live with in this case.

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we were short material by 18 inches.

It was close enough to caulk


Really???




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If the left side is what you are installing then you can cope it to fit. It will have to be a scribe cope, not just a 45 cope.

If you are putting the right side in, then brotha, you got some issues.
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If the left side is what you are installing then you can cope it to fit. It will have to be a scribe cope, not just a 45 cope.

If you are putting the right side in, then brotha, you got some issues.
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we were short material by 18 inches.

It was close enough to caulk
Damn, even I wouldn't try to caulk 18"

And I'm a caulk gun commando...
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I suspect the previous "carpenter" didn't use a compound miter saw. He held the crown in the miter saw, the way it would go on the wall, and cut it.
What he didn't do, was hold it at the correct spring angle.

It can be done. I've done it, alot. The most important thing is to keep it held at the right height. Cutting a piece of scrap, to use as a height guide, works well.
And of course cope it.

Since you are done, it doesn't matter now. I probably would have torn off the existing, and started over.
Who knows, if I were there, maybe I would have done what you did.

We really won't know the best route, until we hear from Tipi.
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If he cut it on the miter box using the upside down method I would think that there would be a better chance to get the spring angle correct than if he cut it flat on the miter saw.

Cutting it upside down you wouldn't need to know that there was such a thing as a spring angle, never mind what the spring angle might be.
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You are correct. I have seen it done that way also. I had forgotten about that.

I've also seen guys stand at the saw, staring at the crown, trying to figure out if they are making the cut, the right direction. After they had it upside down.
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Thats why I also cope
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I never caulk more than 16 inches. I'm not a hack.

It was a quick fixit job for a previous customer that turned into a small mess. She didn't want to pull it down, so we did what we could. It'll look fine with a bit of fill and sanding.

I still need to go back and put up the last small piece when she gets it. It will take longer to set up than to do it. That's one reason I usually avoid these types of jobs.

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