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Old 05-16-2012, 06:45 AM   #1
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We have been fortunate to have a number of kitchen and bathrooms lately, but continually run into problems with crown moulding on older houses, where uneven ceilings pose an issue.
Do you guys have any tips on how to control this better? I've talked with my kitchen designer and am at the point that I think ordering a two piece crown right from the start is the best option. We have one area that the ceiling dives upward a fair amount, and it is absolutely necessary for two piece crown, but then another area that the standard 4" crown works fine. You guys have any suggestions on how to better control this variable?

Do we need to be more meticulous with leveling the ceiling in as we're putting sheetrock up? We pulled the plaster on the house we're working on, shimmed the joists down, but still ended up with one spot that we couldn't remedy. Any ideas are welcome-thanks in advance.

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Old 05-16-2012, 07:00 AM   #2
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We have been fortunate to have a number of kitchen and bathrooms lately, but continually run into problems with crown moulding on older houses, where uneven ceilings pose an issue.
Do you guys have any tips on how to control this better? I've talked with my kitchen designer and am at the point that I think ordering a two piece crown right from the start is the best option. We have one area that the ceiling dives upward a fair amount, and it is absolutely necessary for two piece crown, but then another area that the standard 4" crown works fine. You guys have any suggestions on how to better control this variable?

Do we need to be more meticulous with leveling the ceiling in as we're putting sheetrock up? We pulled the plaster on the house we're working on, shimmed the joists down, but still ended up with one spot that we couldn't remedy. Any ideas are welcome-thanks in advance.

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I would strap the ceiling when possible. Make sure it planes through and is level. Then, as long as the cabinets are installed level, your problem is solved.

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It was either Lone or Kent ......think it was Kent.....anyway, he purposely made the cabinets a couple inches short for that specific reason.
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If you pulled the sheetrock on the ceiling then yeah... that was the time to level things out.

It's a relatively quick, easy and invisible fix at that point. It's a noticeable, pain in the a** fix at any other.

The most visible/referenceable gap will be between the door and the bottom of the crown. That should be darn near consistent.
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I agree with above. If your pulling down the ceiling, I would take more time to level/flatten the ceiling, not try and hide it with crown. Fastest way I know is two just get a nice level line going around the room at the lowest point of the ceiling and sister all the joists up so they are level and flat at what ever height was the lowest point.....if you REALLY want to go crazy, I have used my Plunge/Rail saw to rip dead flat, dead straight edges on Kiln dried...

Last time I did that was a bathroom, tile guy LOVED the dead flat, dead plumb, dead square walls in the shower.
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I've matched some really bad ceilings by just rolling the crown a bit. As said before, just be sure to keep the cab door top to crown bottom measurement the same.
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i would have leveled ceiling. couple of simple fixes depending how bad ceiling is. anything 3/8 and under you could probably get away with either rolling, scoring sheetrock, cheating reveals, block plane top of crown.
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In cases where the dw ceiling is existing, I use a 4' and 6' plastering trowel to level out the ceiling. I typically do this for stain grade crown installs.

I'll use sandable 90, then finish mud. Doesn't really take all that long and it's better than trying to caulk it in, which always looks lousy.
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Do we need to be more meticulous with leveling the ceiling in as we're putting sheetrock up?

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Absolutely. Get the edges done right, then fill in the rest.
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i would have leveled ceiling. couple of simple fixes depending how bad ceiling is. anything 3/8 and under you could probably get away with either rolling, scoring sheetrock, cheating reveals, block plane top of crown.
I agree. Sometimes you just have to cheat the reveals a little. If your building the house, then make sure its level where the cabinets go. If your not a two piece crown works but its time consuming. Most small problems can be cheated but I have also run into some ceilings that aren't small problems and you just have to do the best you can.
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You measure your differences in height of reveal and transfer the adjustments to the vertical part of your crown fence. (Given you are upside down and backwards)
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You measure your differences in height of reveal and transfer the adjustments to the vertical part of your crown fence. (Given you are upside down and backwards)
That's the way I was taught, works out nice and you can just roll it between the cuts or joints, unless your talking a 1/2" or bigger
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I agree with fixing the ceiling before sheetrock. Also if the ceiling is being scrolled you can add a little more plaster.

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Flat ceiling = best solution.
A 2 peice crown will help but you will still have a reveal change on the riser.
Scribing combined shiming and followed by building down with spackle can also help if it's not to far out. When I know I'm going to the ceiling I always check it before I rock.
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If your not fully gutting the kitchen in a 2 part crown you have some lee way , I also find it acceptable to level the crown and let the rest shadow above without trying to fill it !

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