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Old 09-10-2008, 02:20 PM   #21
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I agree with the before mention of packing out the wall and sheetrock it to be even. But to avoid that, what are the exact measurements of the left and right. I have a couple ideas, but I'm not sure if they will work without knowing the measurements.

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Old 09-10-2008, 04:32 PM   #22
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On another note, the GC should be fixing this at no cost since it's his poor work causing the problem. Why should there be an extra cost for doing things right?
Agree 100%
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Jason is right, the GC should install all three skylights correctly. Nothing more important then a contractor who will stand by his work and accept responsibility for his mistakes. Why were the skylights not centered in the truss? He had better have a good reason. Will the sheetrock be disturbed by moving the skylights?
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As I see it you have 3 options. All of which have already been said.


1. Find your happy medium and make it look the best you can to satisfy GC

2. Jamb the opening and case it.

3. Add drywall and corner bead. Use dura-bond and repaint. If you're good and no-one is looking over your shoulder you could get lucky and pull it off in a day. You could accidentally ram a 1x5 so hard into the existing corner bead and play up the need for drywall and paint touch up....

This is what makes carpentry so fun...you have to get creative, pull it out of nowhere, and add to the tricks up your sleeve!

This is your girlfriend's dad....blow out the GC to the HO and do a good job! Hopefully he'll appreciate your attention to detail and respect your skill more than the price.....why not do it on your own time and really impress the guy
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Nothing more important then a contractor who will stand by his work and accept responsibility for his mistakes.
It's not the way things work all the time. With a HO that knows next to nothing about home construction, it's easy for the GC to pull the wool over his eyes.

The GC is a friend of the home owners. Infact, most of the trades working on this house are a friend or relative.

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On another note, the GC should be fixing this at no cost since it's his poor work causing the problem. Why should there be an extra cost for doing things right?
Doing things right doesn't cost more, doing things wrong just costs less. And for some reason, people have no problem putting up with crappy craftsmanship aslong as they save a few bucks.

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I agree with the before mention of packing out the wall and sheetrock it to be even. But to avoid that, what are the exact measurements of the left and right. I have a couple ideas, but I'm not sure if they will work without knowing the measurements.

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Thanks Spencer. To the far inner edge of the drywall channel from the wall, it is 3/4" on the left, and 1 3/8" on the right.

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As I see it you have 3 options. All of which have already been said.


1. Find your happy medium and make it look the best you can to satisfy GC

2. Jamb the opening and case it.

3. Add drywall and corner bead. Use dura-bond and repaint. If you're good and no-one is looking over your shoulder you could get lucky and pull it off in a day. You could accidentally ram a 1x5 so hard into the existing corner bead and play up the need for drywall and paint touch up....

This is what makes carpentry so fun...you have to get creative, pull it out of nowhere, and add to the tricks up your sleeve!

This is your girlfriend's dad....blow out the GC to the HO and do a good job! Hopefully he'll appreciate your attention to detail and respect your skill more than the price.....why not do it on your own time and really impress the guy
Money > attention to detail.

I could just fill the whole thing with DAP and make some fancy grooves with my fingers and they would probably say that it looks great as long as it doesn't cost too much.

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Old 09-10-2008, 10:57 PM   #26
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Here are some more pics incase some of you are still a little hazy.





Here's the abortion of the lower edge that I somehow have to deal with.



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wow, that's ugly! can't think of anything that would look good with-out changing the rock. If it's for your father-in-law to be, why not just get some drywall scrap, build it up so the rock lines up with the lower part of the window like it should. It's tough to tell from the pics, but that may be the "best" way to fix it.
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That is terribly ugly. gc needs to have it done right, only thing worse than a builder in kaki's is a lazy one.
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wow, that's ugly! can't think of anything that would look good with-out changing the rock. If it's for your father-in-law to be, why not just get some drywall scrap, build it up so the rock lines up with the lower part of the window like it should. It's tough to tell from the pics, but that may be the "best" way to fix it.
Ironically, the drywall on the bottom edge lines up perfectly with the channel on the skylight. Instead of putting a bevel on the top plate of the framing, it was set back. I guess the boarders thought they were supposed to put a corner bead on it instead of running it straight up.

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That is terribly ugly. gc needs to have it done right, only thing worse than a builder in kaki's is a lazy one.
That's pretty funny.

Every time he shows up, he's wearing Kaki shorts, and a hawaiin t-shirt. It looks like he's always just getting back from vacation.
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I would love to just smash out the corner bead and put a strip that runs straight into the channel on that bottom edge, except I would have to redo everything to match. All the walls would have to be brought into the channel, which is actually the right thing to do, but he doesn't want it done.

I think he just wants to see the $30 worth of trim he bought used for something.

On the bottom, I'm going to come out of the channel 90 degrees from the skylight until I reach the wall, then go straight down to meet the wall and match to the rest of it. Then finish it off with that beautiful shoe mold

My favourite line was "Don't worry, it's just paint grade. Just have a tube of caulking with ya."
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The GC is a friend of the home owners. Infact, most of the trades working on this house are a friend or relative.



Doing things right doesn't cost more, doing things wrong just costs less. And for some reason, people have no problem putting up with crappy craftsmanship aslong as they save a few bucks.

I'd say thats yet to be determined. We'll see in a few years, when things start failing, how much "less" the cost is.

Someone needs to grow some balls and tell the GC to fix his problem. It would have taken no more time to set it right than it did to set it wrong. Did the GC set the sky light or was it someone else?
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I'd say thats yet to be determined. We'll see in a few years, when things start failing, how much "less" the cost is.

Someone needs to grow some balls and tell the GC to fix his problem. It would have taken no more time to set it right than it did to set it wrong. Did the GC set the sky light or was it someone else?
I agree %100

The skylights were put in by the roofers.

Doing it right in the first place wouldn't have cost any extra. Hiring a good GC would have.

This house is going to have some serious problems in the NEAR future. Both the front and back deck were set on disturbed soil and have sunk. The solution? Keep shimming until it stops sinking.

Water leaching through the walls in the basement!!!!!!! Solution? Nothing! "Once the eves trough is on, it will stop"

14 concrete stairs from the garage to the basement with a tread of 8 3/4" with no nosing or toe kick!!!! Fine if you have size 7 feet. But with size 13 boots I have to walk up these things sideways.

Steel door frame to the basement set too low? Solution? Get a wooden door and cut off 4".

The problems have been brought up. A 21 year old doesn't hold a lot of weight against a contractor who has been doing this for 20 years. The sad part is that the HO doesn't care as long as his house gets built, and the price tag is low. He's not living in the house, it is going to be rented out.
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Wow! If he has to get an inspection for a C/O, he's screwed! Especially if it's a rental!

Good luck!
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given the situation, this is what i would do. Just break a light 1/8" reveal on the left and a 1/4" on the right. Cheat everything in or out you can. maybe even knotch the 1x so you can hold it in a little. so its not locked in the channel and same on the otherside but out. if your painting it, it should work fine. in this case caulk and paint make the GC what he ain't. on the bottom i would cut the 1x to match the angle of the returned peice of drywall. fit it so it locks into the channel and the matching angle will allow it to follow the plane of the wall. no need for any extra work here. no shoe at the bottom just die the other shoe into the wall. at the top, do your best to match the sides and miter you shoe in the corners. if you don't follow me, i will post a pic detailing my idea. hope this helps

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given the situation, this is what i would do. Just break a light 1/8" reveal on the left and a 1/4" on the right. Cheat everything in or out you can. maybe even knotch the 1x so you can hold it in a little. so its not locked in the channel and same on the otherside but out. if your painting it, it should work fine. in this case caulk and paint make the GC what he ain't. on the bottom i would cut the 1x to match the angle of the returned peice of drywall. fit it so it locks into the channel and the matching angle will allow it to follow the plane of the wall. no need for any extra work here. no shoe at the bottom just die the other shoe into the wall. at the top, do your best to match the sides and miter you shoe in the corners. if you don't follow me, i will post a pic detailing my idea. hope this helps

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Sounds good!

I'm not perfectly clear on what you were saying on the bottom though. I'll try a test piece with the shoe running into the wall at the bottom and see how it looks.

Thanks!
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I agree %100

The skylights were put in by the roofers.

Doing it right in the first place wouldn't have cost any extra. Hiring a good GC would have.

This house is going to have some serious problems in the NEAR future. Both the front and back deck were set on disturbed soil and have sunk. The solution? Keep shimming until it stops sinking.

Water leaching through the walls in the basement!!!!!!! Solution? Nothing! "Once the eves trough is on, it will stop"

14 concrete stairs from the garage to the basement with a tread of 8 3/4" with no nosing or toe kick!!!! Fine if you have size 7 feet. But with size 13 boots I have to walk up these things sideways.

Steel door frame to the basement set too low? Solution? Get a wooden door and cut off 4".

The problems have been brought up. A 21 year old doesn't hold a lot of weight against a contractor who has been doing this for 20 years. The sad part is that the HO doesn't care as long as his house gets built, and the price tag is low. He's not living in the house, it is going to be rented out.

Is this new construction, or exsisting house renovations?
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Since reworking the openings aren't an option, I'd stay with the idea that less is more. I'd run the 1x's horizontal. First I'd rip the 1x's to within a 1/4" margin on the skylight jamb, allowing enough width for scribing the 1x to the drywall. Then I'd run the long sides first, & then fit the top, & bottom between. When done, you'll have a decent size flat to help hide the runouts. Mitering the corners is possible, but the bastard corners will only draw more attention to the problem.

Just keep it plain as possible.
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Is this new construction, or exsisting house renovations?
New construction.

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Since reworking the openings aren't an option, I'd stay with the idea that less is more. I'd run the 1x's horizontal. First I'd rip the 1x's to within a 1/4" margin on the skylight jamb, allowing enough width for scribing the 1x to the drywall. Then I'd run the long sides first, & then fit the top, & bottom between. When done, you'll have a decent size flat to help hide the runouts. Mitering the corners is possible, but the bastard corners will only draw more attention to the problem.

Just keep it plain as possible.
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Thanks Joe. I'm going to takle this today after brekfast, so I'll take some pictures when I'm done.
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Since reworking the openings aren't an option, I'd stay with the idea that less is more. I'd run the 1x's horizontal. First I'd rip the 1x's to within a 1/4" margin on the skylight jamb, allowing enough width for scribing the 1x to the drywall. Then I'd run the long sides first, & then fit the top, & bottom between. When done, you'll have a decent size flat to help hide the runouts. Mitering the corners is possible, but the bastard corners will only draw more attention to the problem.

Just keep it plain as possible.
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I agree. Just build a 1x2 picture frame on the bench (shy of the drywall) make sure your exposure is the same looking up from the interior. The exposure will be way off when looking from the roof down to the floor. (The 1x2 will overhang into the skylight.) Then trim the light box / 1x2 with shoe mold.
Don't get me wrong, I hate doing stuff like this, all of these solutions are just putting a band aid over a band aid. Unless the skylight was removed and reinstalled correctly.
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just trim it out with the 1x5's that you have drawn in, but instead of stepping the bottom trim back, install a bullnose on the bottom to create a negative reveal. if the bullnose on the bottom is the same all of the way around, then the only one who will ever see the difference is the bird on the roof. this is assuming that the difference in small enough to hide.
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