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Old 04-08-2012, 01:52 AM   #1
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Hidden Wainscot Door Solutions


Hey guys, I have a hidden door to do in a home office. New constuction, I'm paneling it as we speak. 13.5 ceiling height, superior alder, rabbeted panel moulding to flat panels. The door is basically a 2/8 - 8/0 that needs to mimic an upper/lower panel, carry the rails, base, & chair rail, while closing seamless. Problem is, it's an outswing door. We were thinking of 3/4 ply (reinforced on back with some type of strong back), with the panel moulding covering the reveal. Scarfing the chair, base, & rails at 5 degree for clearance. Any opinions on hardware that would take the door out & away from face frame and not bind on hinge side? Euros for a rabbetted door don't look like they will work.
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:09 AM   #2
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Re: Hidden Wainscot Door Solutions


We use concealed Soss hinges and we incorporate the base with the door and put rolling casters hidden behind the base for this type of application. This allows little weight on the hinges themselves and the door opens and closes flawlessly.

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Ditto that. The ones I've done I used sos hinges.
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Never seen those soss hinges before. Cool stuff!
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Agreed on the hinges.

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Re: Hidden Wainscot Door Solutions


After looking at Soss's website, doesn't look like it would clear the added moulding or even the rabbeted panel moulding. Essentially this door is like a rabbeted kitchen cabinet door. The hinge need to push the door out and away from frame. Was originally thinking a piano hinge, since the barrel would be hidden behind the rabbet. I'll draw it up on sketchup for a visual.
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try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jw6V...Q2STefpypwP1WY
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You may find a rabbeted door "leaf hinge" for the application you are looking for.
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inset euro hinge
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Tried the inset euro hinge, even the zero clearance 270. Will keep looking. Thanks for replies.
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how about that sketch up drawing...
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Go with the Soss hinges. Re-design/configure so they will work.
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http://reversica.com/products.html
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Dan- that's looking more like it. Definetly would work, that range of motion is awesome. Almost done with sketchup drawing.
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Really looking like the hinges for a lazy Susan base cabinet will work.
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Soss hinges are fantastic, used them once for a hidden door and they worked great.
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How about Blum 155 Zero Protrusion hinges. They push the door out as it opens.
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So, op....whaddya end up doin'? Got pics?
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Re: Hidden Wainscot Door Solutions


Rixson pivots are another option. You need to design the trim overlay so that on the pivot side the trim that covers the reveal is fixed to the wall and the other side overlays the wall. Both the Rixson and the Reversica will reduce the walk through space by, at the very least, the thickness of the door as the door stays in the opening. The head casing is always a trick and so different solutions to different configurations. Here is one link for one type of Rixson pivot http://www.epivots.com/rixson-370.as...FUJo4Aod-m4KDg

I can give you more info if you need, but go to the Rixson site for the specs.

... and it just happens that today Gary Katz has reposted an article about installing a hidden bookcase at http://www.thisiscarpentry.com/2012/...bookcase-katz/ Not exactly what you are doing but a good explanation of using a Rixson Pivot for a hidden door.
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Re: Hidden Wainscot Door Solutions


We ended up using 170 hinges. To make the chair rail, base, & shoe work, had to cope a 45 and drill out the rail behind the molding to clear. It was a necessity, couldnt get it any better. Haven't been back out there since one of the guys finished the base. Hopefully get out there for some pics.

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