Door Jamb Transition

Bukemdano

I am doing a new construction. This is my question, I am tiling a bathroom that will join the hallway that is carpet. When I install the door on the tile 3/4 inch off main subfloor it will be higher than the carpet side of the door that is 3/8 off sub floor. Should I notch the tile portion on the bottom of the jamb or should I just add extra padding under the carpet by the door to compensate for the gap?

I install the doors without the door jamb stop and maybe thinking that once I install the door jamb stop it will cover the notch. I know some trim guys like to install the doors first before tiling or wood floors are put in. I think it looks better putting doors/trim/base after the flooring is put in. Also, I am afraid of ripping the jambs up with a jamb-saw. Any help would be greatly appreciated !!! Thanks

Dano

Tom R

Yeah, I'd notch the jamb, - - and I agree, it looks much better and is actually easier to install the jamb after the tile. Jamb cuts are a mite 'softer' than tile cuts anyway.

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Mike Finley

The jamb should always be installed to look good regardless of the flooring that will end up there. (Some day that tile will be removed) All flooring should be installed around the jambs, not the jamb over the flooring, the tile should not be installed under the jamb! Cut your tile neatly to leave the same gap between the jamb as the grout lines and fill this gap with color matched caulking.

Also, you want the tile and carpet to meet inside this jamb always splitting the difference where the door will close so that on the carpet side you see only carpet when the door is closed and on the tile side you see only tile when the door is closed. I always use a Schulter strip at the end of the tile so the carpet has a nice clean line to butt up against and not butting up against tile and grout lines.

go dart

set the jamb and insist the tile man use a JAMB SAW to under cut where the tile sets

Tom R

Mike, - - IMO, much easier, neater to tile first, then jamb, - - especially if your doing all phases yourself, - - now of course, if you're subbing out the work, well, sometimes things are better off in a different order (no sense makin' it convenient for the tile guy, right??) As far as changes later, - - sure, - - anything's possible, - - but in the grand scheme of things, - - if the tile is done right, - - it will only warrant a change because of 'want', - - not because of 'need'. Just an opinion, of course, - - but I've done it both ways over the years and have decided on my preference.

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Mike Finley

Yep, to each their own. I never even ever heard of anybody even considering cutting somebodies jamb before this post. Makes no sense to me when I can cut a piece of tile with 2 90 degree cuts and keep the integrity of the customers doors in place. Maybe this is an east coast thing? I did recently run into this, the moron who cut the jamb is now costing the customer a new door to be hung and finished. The old floor is built up higher than the new one is going to be but their door jambs are now hanging 1/4 over the new tile. Until this post I was under the impression that the door jambs were originally installed short, but now I see how it was most likely an idiot cutting the jambs. No offense to you door jamb cutters out there but all I see is it being a short cut, and its going to cost these customers probably close to $500 for nothing, well it's not nothing, I guess it saved some tile guy about 5 minutes a few years ago.

I see no problem with cutting the door stop off since that can be worked around later. If it's in the way I cut it at a 45 downward so it will look good later if the floor level ever moves up or down again. I also see no problem with cutting the door trim molding since casing profile is almost imposible to mimic acurately in a tile cut and is going to look much better over the tile just like the base board, but jambs? Those are straight 90s!

I guess that's another one, are there guys out there not removing baseboard and tiling up to it?

Tom R

Jeez, - - good thing that's 'all' the guy did, - - just imagine if he did it the other way around, what his tile cuts woulda looked like!!

Although I'm sure morons 'abound' in all areas, - - we are among professionals here, - - anyone who can't successfully notch along two different planes sure shouldn't be in the bathroom business, - - other than maybe to make the 'next guy' (hey, that's you) look good.

To me, saying a caulk or grout line looks better than none at all, - - anywhere, anyplace, - - is sheer 'folly'.

And on that note, - - have yourself a folly, jolly, Christmas!!

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Tom R

Maybe this guy can help refresh your 'memory' of jamb saws . . .

http://www.contractortalk.com/showth...highlight=jamb

Maybe I'll get you a 'personality' for Christmas.

Just 'one', though!!

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Tom R

Am I to understand they don't sell jamb saws on the West Coast??

I don't think so.

Incorrigi-b-ble!!

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Tom R

Cost the customer $500??

Wouldn't a 'reputable' contractor with an astute knowledge of the easily foreseeable have just simply added another layer of underlayment to the 'new' floor before tiling and coming up on the short side of experience, - - at the rate of maybe $100 'tops', instead of $500, - - and then not have to fall back on blaming it on the last guy at the un-knowledgable customer's expense??

Congrag if you got away with it, though, - -damn good one!!

Bad enough to 'down-trod' the last guy before you do the job, - - but AFTER??

Nope, - - I'm not buyin it!!

P.S. Unfortunately, just because your phone rings doesn't necessarily mean they dialed the right number!!

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specwood

tile under jamb.

tile over jamb.

hmm.

There seem to be more important things to ponder.

I'm gonna go organize my sock drawer.

Tom R

Balled in pairs to the front, - - lonely singles in the back, - - don't forget to rotate your sock-stock!!

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specwood

That almost sounds like my underwear drawer.

Tom R

That's known as your drawers drawer!!

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Bukemdano

Interesting.. I am with you Mike. Cutting tiles around the jamb with seams looks really cheesy. I never even considered that, although have heard of it. If it came to the situaton where the tiles needed to be replaced down the road, like Mike said again, make sure they are the same height as the old ones, pretty simple. This may be just me but, if the tiles last as long as they are supposed to and it came down to changing them, its not a big deal to put a new door in anyway if need be along with base and casing. I appreciate the help !!

Greg Di

I do it both ways depending on the situation.

If I am installing a new jamb, it goes in on top of the subfloor. If I'm working into an existing jamb, I notch the flooring materials around it, or flush cut the jamb if it's required. You need to be flexible depending on the situation.

Mike Finley

Hey, ya stupid f#ck, tell me how adding another layer of underlayment would have solved the problem? The original flooring from bathroom to hallway and beyond was tile over an underlayment of 3/4 plywood. The new flooring consists of tile in the bathroom butting to hardwood flooring in the hallway and beyond.

I guess we could have ran $800 worth of extra underlayment under the hardwood huh? (You can post tangentially 8 times in a row over the $800 dollar amount now) Run all the scenarios through your little squirrel brain and you'll eventually figure out that no combination works, all because of a dumb ass cutting a jamb to save making four 90 degree cuts in some tile.

Further mr f#ck stick, the post you are referring to is a jamb saw in regard to cutting doors not jambs, ya moron, read some of the sh#t you throw up in somebodies face once in awhile.

What I do and what you do is called a difference, a lot of it depends on regions. It simply isn't common to cut jambs here. Because you do it and I don't doesn't make me or you right, it's a difference, because I point out an example I was personally involved with that resulted in your way not being the right solution, you take it as an insult or a shot at you. Since you do this to others I guess it's only natural for you to assume the same of everybody, even though you're the sh#t head here while everybody else isn't. Anybody who disagrees with you becomes your target, over and over again you repeat the attacks here, and worse off the moderators let you get away with it. You simply can't agree to disagree like real men do in real life. If you ever acted the way you do here in real life you would get the sh#t knocked out of you. I know I for one would be the first guy to kick your sorry old geezer ass with the beating of your life until you readjusted your attitude and started interacting with people and giving the same respect to others you think you deserve. The internet makes big tough guys out of people, it's a common phenomena on forums, you're the epitome of it. At least once a week if there is a post that turns into a pissing match, an argument or an insult you are the center of it. At least show some dignity and stop posting the little " " after your insults, nobody buys into the "Golly, geeze, I'm only funnin' ya!", it's painfully obvious you're just an old burned out asshole who doesn't get enough attention in real life and is the local blow hard at the end of the bar that the town laughs at behind his back. Enjoy your reign.

I've had enough with your routine.

Adiós all, I think it's time to take some time off from here for awhile. Have a prosperous 2006 and I wish you all luck in all you do. This has been a great forum and I'm glad I found it, I learned alot, met a lot of great people and if I accidentally helped anybody along the way then that's a bonus.

specwood

Well, it is a jamb saw, not a door saw.

Besides, in most cases you couldn't cut a door in place. If it needed to be cut, it wouldn't hang on the hinges.

To say that one can't cut the jambs is clearly incorrect. I can cut them all day long with a jamb saw or hand saw. The thing is, there are only some cases where it makes sense to do so.

I do know why I am so compelled to comment now on this topic. Maybe it is the new level of passion injected into the subject.



Plus, I am not working today...

Tom R

Good luck with it which ever way you do it.

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Tom R

I couldn't agree more, Greg, - - I'm basing my 'answers' on bukemdano's first post saying it was new construction.

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