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Old 01-31-2009, 02:30 AM   #1
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Crown With Steel Studs?


just got a remodel job for several Dr's offices. I have never hung crown or for that matter installed base with steel studs. Does anybody have some suggestion for me? thanks...rick

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Old 01-31-2009, 08:27 AM   #2
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Re: Crown With Steel Studs?


1. Use fine thread trim screws and/or
2. put up some wood blocking before drywall and/or
3. angle your finish nails to make an "x" or "v" pattern.

Fine thread screws is the best bet after you have it tacked, but gun trim nails will hold in metal studs.
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Put up blocking using screws and adhesive. Then you just nail into that. Make sure you get paid for the extra work.
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Lots of folks like to rip a 2X
to the spring angle, screw that
to the studs, then nail the crown
to the rip.
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There is a nail gun i uesd before that shoots into steel stud. It has barbed nails that grab the steel. I have never seen one since i left that GC but i would do what Leo said.
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Lots of folks like to rip a 2X
to the spring angle, screw that
to the studs, then nail the crown
to the rip.
You sound like a good trim carpenter.
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Just noticed, "tandem posts" with
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Good advice here already... just one thing to add, hold the backing back from the corners, so you can run a piece of crown straight into the corner and cope the next piece into it.

If you run backing into the corners, you have to cut it back out to cope, or miter (not the best idea).

I also rip the backing just a skosh smaller than you think it needs to be, so you can adjust the crown...I allow an extra 1/8" of space between the back of the crown and the backing.
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Good advice here already... just one thing to add, hold the backing back from the corners, so you can run a piece of crown straight into the corner and cope the next piece into it.

If you run backing into the corners, you have to cut it back out to cope, or miter (not the best idea).

I also rip the backing just a skosh smaller than you think it needs to be, so you can adjust the crown...I allow an extra 1/8" of space between the back of the crown and the backing.
It is good to see there are still people out there that know what they are doing.
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Good lookin out Bass!!
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beat me to the punch bass! thats the best way to do it. no "fishing for joists". when i first started, i made the mistake of running it all the way to the corners..never did that again!
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.....just one thing to add, hold the backing back from the corners, so you can run a piece of crown straight into the corner and cope the next piece into it.

If you run backing into the corners, you have to cut it back out to cope, or miter (not the best idea).

I also rip the backing just a skosh smaller than you think it needs to be, so you can adjust the crown...I allow an extra 1/8" of space between the back of the crown and the backing.
Good points!
Sometimes it's hard to remember
those important details until it's
actually time to start.
Then, with luck, those
"Oops,been there before," moments
come back to mind.
I have usually put the rips up
in 4'-5' pieces, not long contiuous
rips.
For the base, (just saw that part)
trim screws or 15ga have worked
for me, but you want to hit studs.
Track can spoil your day.
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Good advice here already... just one thing to add, hold the backing back from the corners, so you can run a piece of crown straight into the corner and cope the next piece into it.

If you run backing into the corners, you have to cut it back out to cope, or miter (not the best idea).

I also rip the backing just a skosh smaller than you think it needs to be, so you can adjust the crown...I allow an extra 1/8" of space between the back of the crown and the backing.
Nice job, Mr Bass

The strips look like they are in 2 pieces, yes? Any reason? Just curious. Thanks
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It is good to see there are still people out there that know what they are doing.
Thanks bwalley,

Of course you know I learned these things by doing them wrong at least once.
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Good lookin out Bass!!
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beat me to the punch bass! thats the best way to do it. no "fishing for joists". when i first started, i made the mistake of running it all the way to the corners..never did that again!
Yup, if you run the backing into the corner, it can create one of those "Doh!" moments... then you go from thinking, "I'm an idiot!" to "I'm a genius for buying that Fein Multimaster."
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Good points!
Sometimes it's hard to remember
those important details until it's
actually time to start.
Then, with luck, those
"Oops,been there before," moments
come back to mind.
I have usually put the rips up
in 4'-5' pieces, not long contiuous
rips.
For the base, (just saw that part)
trim screws or 15ga have worked
for me, but you want to hit studs.
Track can spoil your day.
Good point, the backing does not need to be continuous. Here is a case where shorter is more gooder:
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Nice job, Mr Bass

The strips look like they are in 2 pieces, yes? Any reason? Just curious. Thanks
This was backing for 6-1/2" crown and the small triangular piece that I ripped off of the 2x4 was waste... rather than toss it, I stacked it on the 2x backer, for better "backage."
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This was backing for 6-1/2" crown and the small triangular piece that I ripped off of the 2x4 was waste... rather than toss it, I stacked it on the 2x backer, for better "backage."
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Make it a 3 piece crown.

Screw flats onto the wall/ceiling with the screws located in a place that will be covered by the diagonal portion.
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