Crown Moulding Returns

sprayer48

hey guys, need some advise plz.
i took a job removing and installing new shoe and base. also entailed installing
new crown. i have no problem with the shoe, base and crown except when it comes to ending the crown where there is no wall to but into. i thought i could just cut a return as i would do for the chair rail , base or shoe.
not so.
can someone please explain how to end the crown (3 5/8 ) without it dying into a wall. there has to be some way to do this.
I have to go back monday and dont want to look as if i dont know what im doing.

thanks.
sprayer 48 in illinois

neolitic

Just cut a return, like any other trim.
It's just going to look like an
outside corner, only really short.

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genecarp

neo is correct, also i like to leave a reveal, about 3/8'' from the end, dont flush it up.

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sprayer48

thanks guys, but yesterday i tried returning the crown into the ceiling and wall corner and it didnt look right to me.

since the crown sits at a 45 to the ceiling and wall, if i return the crown shouldnt the straight cut of the return be cut on each corner to match the ceiling and wall.

maybe i'm confusing myself, but ive done this return on base, shoe and chair for years with no problem. looks good. like finished carpentry should.

maybe you could explain step by step for me, as i only have 1 day left in the budget for this job and i need to install, fill holes, caulk and paint for 125 lf of crown.
again, any help is much appreciated.

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neolitic

You know how to do an outside corner?
Just stop the piece on the wall
so that the top is 3/8 to 1/2" short.
(Cut a 45º with the crown upside-down in
your miter box)
Then cut a piece (Upside-down again.)
that fits between the top of the crown
and the wall. (It will just fill in the spring
angle.)
Not sure haw to make it any plainer.

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Tom R

Not sure what you're up against (a hallway or a stairwell, maybe??), - - but another option might be to do a double return, - - in other words, - - wrap around the corner you want to end at, - - then return it from there right back into that wall (around the corner).

Another option yet, - - is to cut an 'end-block' to die into (usually 3/4" or 1" thick), - - make it the same angle as the crown, - - but about a quarter-inch wider than the higher profiles of your crown, - - so you're left with a reveal.

neolitic

Aaaah, the cavalry!
I'm afraid that he's trying to cut it
straight up like a piece of base.
Nothing else makes sense to me,
but then again that doesn't either.

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Jason Whipple

Return it to the ceiling? I'm not sure how you would do that, it's no wonder it didn't look right!

I don't know how to word it any better than what's already been said. Sounds like you need a trim carpenter to me. Goggle crown molding, there should be some examples you can find so you can visualize it better.

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DesPro

Here are a couple of links that show different methods.

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/how-...147495,00.html


http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_bas..._molding_2.jpg

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neolitic

Good Ol' Tommy!
I bet he gets paid better for
his advice than do I.

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sprayer48

BOY YOU GUYS ARE BRUTAL.

I was just trying to stop the crown 2" before the ceiling stopped on a large livingroom wall. the bedroom is above and the bedroom floor stops short of the 2 story foyer.


Anyway NEO..thanks, it is clear now. not sure what i was trying yesterday, must have been tired.

as far as returning into the ceiling i meant "the wall " that would have looked funny if one could even do that.

thanks again NEOITIC.
sprayer48

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sprayer48

Hey Jason,
Thats exactly what I need.
thx

neolitic

It's sooo much easier when you can
wave your hands and point!
Then draw it out an a scrap 2X.
This english stuff is waaay to hard.
Glad you're on the way.

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VitoFromNJ

A 22 and a half return can look sweet as well. All depending on the profile and its application

Jason Whipple

I've never seen that, any pic's?

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OCRS

That'd be different looking. I can picture it, double 22 1/2's. Ya, pics if ya got 'em.

VitoFromNJ

I just looked for pictures, and didnt find any good examples.

The one piece 22 degree return lets you see more of the return, from a wider scope. I think it should be more like a 33 degree.

Ya just gotta make your wall angle cut first.

And the double 22, is way hot too

neolitic

Had one with 4 piece and 6" oak crown.
After cutting 22½'s on the crown, dental,
and 2 pieces of cove twice for each of
a dozen returns, I don't offer that one
up as a choice too often.

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OCRS

So you were talking about 135 degree off the wall? What was the general interior architecture? A lot of 45 degree walls etc.?