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Old 03-17-2012, 08:54 PM   #1
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Hey all,

Installing some trim on the sides of a staircase and I've got a couple of questions regarding how to transition back to floor trim.

A pic is worth a 1,000 words so this is what I'm looking at:





The base trim on the right is also going on top of the 1x10 up the staircase. Trying to figure out the best way to mate back up the two pieces of base trim...

Also, it's a U-shaped staircase and I'm not sure how to best run the trim around the inside corner. I've got the 2 pieces of 1x10 dry fitted w/ 45º cuts on the end.





Thanks for your ideas, guys -

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Old 03-17-2012, 09:06 PM   #2
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Re: Could Use Some Help Trimming Out Stairs


you could always run the trim down the stringers. or rip the top profile and transition that down. also depends how crazy you want to get ,budgets and time frames.

something like this


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Don't know if any of these will help, but here's a few pics.
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The U wall is going to be a problem as it is imo. Your skirtboard needs to transition to level before it wraps the corner. I wish i could put into words better what im trying to say....but then again i could be way off base and one of the hardcore trims guys will put me in my place.
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Why are you using Stafford casing for baseboard? It complicates things and it will look like crap with all the dirt and dings it will accumulate.
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I don't have a picture of it, but what we've done is run the base to the skirt and put a small miter to turn out to the plane of the skirt (Which is usually 5/4) and then self return that. You then cut the skirt flush to the top of the baseboard. The miters are tiny, but 2P10 works great.

Make sense?
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Why are you using Stafford casing for baseboard? It complicates things and it will look like crap with all the dirt and dings it will accumulate.
Not sure what Stafford casing is, HOs just wanted a skirtboard that was a 1x10 with the base trim on top of it running up both sides of the staircase. The 1x10 hides some funkiness in the wall itself (like the orig. builders ran drywall down to a stringer in the wall plane and you can see the lines from drywall to wood - looks like crap.)

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I don't have a picture of it, but what we've done is run the base to the skirt and put a small miter to turn out to the plane of the skirt (Which is usually 5/4) and then self return that. You then cut the skirt flush to the top of the baseboard. The miters are tiny, but 2P10 works great.

Make sense?
Not entirely. Sorry. What's a 2P10? In addition to the 1x10 skirt, I've also got base trim going on top of the skirt. I'm trying to figure out how to best transition the base trim/skirt run into a base trim only run.

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At the top you could cut the skirt flush with the floor so the base can run straight out then down the steps. At the middle you can run your skirt around the corner flush on top then do a three piece corner with the molding.
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What's a 2P10?
Oh glasshopper...

http://www.fastcap.com/estore/pc/2P-...oz-6p12826.htm

Can't live without the stuff on interior trim work.

A lot of times, you have to make a very tiny double miter piece of the base cap material that transitions from the rake angle of the stairs to the flat angle of the baseboard. There is no way to make that compound miter in one cut, so you make the rake angle miter first and then make a tiny self-return from that angle to the flat angle. It's a very tiny piece of trim that usually looks like an inverted triangle. Hard to describe, but I don't have any pics of it. I just know how to do it.

I think Gary Katz has a drawing of it on TiC.

http://www.thisiscarpentry.com/2010/...board-returns/

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Mac, it looks to me like the stair skirt is 1 x, yes? You need to choose different base trim. What you show in the picture is casing. You'd be better served with a base cap. At the top of the steps choose a 1 x 6 or 1 x 4 for the base with a base cap. Cut the skirt level so that it's an inch or two lower than the 1x base. Run the 1x base and but it into the skirt. Then miter the base cap down to the skirt level then miter it again and run it down the steps.

As for the inside of the U. The same thing needs to happen. You need to cut the skirt to level BEFORE it miters around the corner. Cut it level and this could be a notch as this will then be covered by the base cap as it follows the shape of the skirt. The problem in a nut shell...your trying to turn the corner with your skirt running on the rake of the stairs. This will not work. The skirt must transition to level before turning the corner at both inside locations.
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As for the inside of the U. The same thing needs to happen. You need to cut the skirt to level BEFORE it miters around the corner. Cut it level and this could be a notch as this will then be covered by the base cap as it follows the shape of the skirt. The problem in a nut shell...your trying to turn the corner with your skirt running on the rake of the stairs. This will not work. The skirt must transition to level before turning the corner at both inside locations.
Haha i tried to say that but you put it into better words than me. Thank you.
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I cut the stringer ears off and follow with trim around and down.
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I don't have a picture of it, but what we've done is run the base to the skirt and put a small miter to turn out to the plane of the skirt (Which is usually 5/4) and then self return that. You then cut the skirt flush to the top of the baseboard. The miters are tiny, but 2P10 works great.

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This is what I ended up doing...I realized I needed to return the trim to level BEFORE I turned the corner.



I appreciate the suggestions ya'll had..they got me to thinking about how to approach the problem.

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I think that turned out well! Nice solution!
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I'd bob the top of the skirt board off a few inches above where the base/casing will meet. Run (casing) up and around.

where the wall turns:
install 1x6 blocks around the wall. ( 3 sided column) rip as needed.
top of 1x6 on last flight would meet short point of skirt
then install skirts to 1x6
install trim up, down, around

pop/mark lines for skirts and blocks before cutting anything.
figure angles and lengths , then cut and install
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This is what I ended up doing...I realized I needed to return the trim to level BEFORE I turned the corner.



I appreciate the suggestions ya'll had..they got me to thinking about how to approach the problem.

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Good recovery, I think that will work out nicely.
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Hey all,

Installing some trim on the sides of a staircase and I've got a couple of questions regarding how to transition back to floor trim.

A pic is worth a 1,000 words so this is what I'm looking at:





The base trim on the right is also going on top of the 1x10 up the staircase. Trying to figure out the best way to mate back up the two pieces of base trim...

Also, it's a U-shaped staircase and I'm not sure how to best run the trim around the inside corner. I've got the 2 pieces of 1x10 dry fitted w/ 45º cuts on the end.





Thanks for your ideas, guys -

Mac

I Just trimmed an addtion with the detail of the landing.

Only problem is I see you have to use Adam's casing as base. I was using one by and base cap. I brought the base cap down and around....I thought I had photos, but I can't find them.
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you could always run the trim down the stringers. or rip the top profile and transition that down. also depends how crazy you want to get ,budgets and time frames.

something like this
i've probley built 5000 stairs, and i really love that picture

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