Carsiding Install

vans

I have a 6000sq ft of ceiling to cover with carsiding made from pre-finished tulip, boards that are random lenght,most being under 12',

Ceiling will be broken up into 4 bays with a 12' width, making fake beams from ash to divide

Question/opinion's- would a pattern or just a random lenght look the best?-

ceilings are tapered-12' to 24', and I'm thinking a pattern may go faster as we should be able to precut lumber , where random length's may utilize lumber better-less waste, I have 18,000 lineal feet of 5-1/2" siding to accomplish task, quality is very important

Thanks

Gus Dering

Do they need to break on a rafter?

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Tom Struble

Gus is a smart man
if they have to fall on a rafter [which unless you sheath the ceiling first they do]you going to be doing a pattern

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Trim40

I bid a job similar to this( waiting on a decision).
IMO it will look best if the joints are covered by the beams. 2nd best would be a random pattern.
I discussed both with my potential client and they chose the random pattern due to cost.

neolitic

For me, "random pattern" means
there is a pattern, but it only repeats
after at least 5 or 6 courses.
True random patterns seem a lot more
difficult to carry off on a ceiling
than a floor, at least to me.

Could be a personality defect.
I'm sure Gus will have an opinion
on that.

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WarnerConstInc.

If it is tongue and groove I let they fly with a scarf joint, a few pins and some glue.

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loneframer

"Random Pattern" That cracks me up.

Random, to me, means a complete lack of rhyme or reason. If you are nailing joints at rafters, you may have one rafter with maybe 5 joints breaking on it. First repeat at 5th board, second at 12th board, third at 20th board and so on. One rafter may have two boards breaking, another could have seven. It's easy to look up after it's done and say "I wish I'd have broken that joint one layout to the right". The hard part is achieving what you percieve as perfect as you go along.

Pattern is a repeating order. 32" piece, 64" piece, 96" piece, 112" and repeat. Or 32,96,64,112, repeat....

Patterns are much easier to pick out than a random array. Just look at most vinyl siding jobs. Looks like a staircase on the wall. A good vinyl job won't have that effect, IMO.

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Tom Struble

thing is if the seams have to land on 16'' centers eventually the pattern has to repeat itself or your going to get seams too close together

its the same with siding,a proper pattern will maximize the distance between each seam which also belive it or not will help keep your siding staighter

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loneframer

It doesn't have to be a repeat pattern though.

144------------------------------------
48----------
96-----------------------
128-----------------------------
64-------------
144------------------------------------
80------------------
32------
112-------------------------
64-------------
96----------------------
144------------------------------------
32------
80------------------
112-------------------------
48---------
128-----------------------------
64------------
96----------------------
144------------------------------------

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Tom Struble

i got ya mr loneframer

typically when using a fixed panel length like 12' to maximize the distance between seams,my pattern will repeat every third course

i will usually split my courses by 1/2 say 12' -6'-3'

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loneframer

I have no problem with repeat patterns, as long as they don't look offensive. I do ,however, have a problem with the "staircase" pattern. I've seen jobs with as little as 12" stepoffs.

On vinyl jobs, if I do a repeat, it'll go like this...



full panel
-8'
-2'
-6'
full panel
-8'
-4'
full panel

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Tom Struble

yes i agree with the stair step i hate that,is also the reason you look at a wall and see an A or a V in the wall,keeping the seams separated as far as possible will help keep your wall true

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Gus Dering

What is this Carsiding? Does it have a t&g or not?

I wonder if each 12' bay has the same layout. Some how I doubt that. So one bay to the next will have a different pattern to the one next. If that is any consolation.

I like to step it off 32" at a time for 4 - 5 courses in the 12' then bump over the pattern 16" to start the 32" step again.

Yeah it's a pattern but only those of us with personality defects can pick it up with a casual glance. Sorry Neo, I got no magic wand to help you with.

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Tom Struble

no it has a rabbeted butt like ship lap

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Gus Dering

What is all this talk about bunny butts?

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loneframer

That reminds me of a joke about a bear, but I'll be danged if I can remember it.

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Gus Dering

Don't know the joke butI bet the rabbet got a little bloody.

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neolitic

T&G......

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WarnerConstInc.

That is the only kind of car siding I have seen.
I always let t&g run wild. They will hold each other in.
I do it with bead board sofets porch ceilings etc.

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Trim40

I don't know squat about bears and rabbit butts but I knew someone would catch the random pattern.