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Old 04-27-2009, 03:13 AM   #1
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Holy cripes! I just got through the 20 minute company sales pitch video, has any one else heard this? just click on the Contractors.com banner (up there) and listen to the whole thing if you can... it's worse than water boarding!

but it's interesting, you wont pay for leads, just hand over 10% of an awarded project... this amounts to just a little less than our average profit, what will homeowners think when they hear that their project might cost 10% more by using Contractor.com?

I mean I for one will be taking that 10% into account when doing my bid, am I wrong here!? are these Lead generating companies running out of gimmicks? or is this a great idea?

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Old 04-27-2009, 07:58 AM   #2
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The model they proposed has been used by a few smaller companies around here. It is the most effective method I have seen. They have a different take when they "the lead companies" have a bit of skin in the game.

If you don't have a problem paying the fee go for it. Think of the 10% fee as part of your advertising/marketing budget.
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10% is way to much for a lead no matter who gets it for you. That is a complete sales commission for a salesman who:

Makes the sale
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Anything else required to see the job through to completion.
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It is a great concept - but I have to agree with RidgeWalker, 10% is way to much. 3 to 7% would be more like it based on the size of the job. The bigger the job, the lower the %, my original thought was 5% would be OK, but running the numbers I would have to go with a floating scale for the win win win approach.
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It is a great concept - but I have to agree with RidgeWalker, 10% is way to much. 3 to 7% would be more like it based on the size of the job. The bigger the job, the lower the %, my original thought was 5% would be OK, but running the numbers I would have to go with a floating scale for the win win win approach.
They have a cap I think of $750 is the max charged for a job
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$750 Dollars? hmmn, thats not bad if the project is $50,000, but from $7,500 it seems a bit steep. I agree with the guys, it should be a smaller percentage as the bid goes up many companies are running on 8-15% profit on total year sales. It's bad enough uncle sam makes more on a job than we do. the other thing; is their much paper work? I mean it seems like i'd have to show the winning bid (or maybe the homeowner does) for them to get 10%.

Right now it might be harder to slice 10% from the total cost, since everyone is lowballing each other...
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don't forget the $5000 "deposit" and membership fees
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don't forget the $5000 "deposit" and membership fees
The high 10% seemed extreme enough, but pile that on top of it and they better be signing the contracts and providing supervision for that fee.

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The high 10% seemed extreme enough, but pile that on top of it and they better be signing the contracts and providing supervision for that fee.

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I can see this working for the really big remodeling contractors that have 50K+ marketing budgets and 10-30 guys to keep busy,the fees would be a drop in the bucket to them.

It is not a program for everyone. But then again maybe it is structured to be that way?

I have seen this model of sales lead before locally and it has worked out well for the contractors, homeowners and business that runs it.
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$750 Dollars? hmmn, thats not bad if the project is $50,000, but from $7,500 it seems a bit steep. I agree with the guys, it should be a smaller percentage as the bid goes up many companies are running on 8-15% profit on total year sales. It's bad enough uncle sam makes more on a job than we do. the other thing; is their much paper work? I mean it seems like i'd have to show the winning bid (or maybe the homeowner does) for them to get 10%.

Right now it might be harder to slice 10% from the total cost, since everyone is lowballing each other...
That just leads me to wonder what you would be competing against when you bid. I can't say anything about contractor.com because I don't know anything about them. But in my work, there are sites like elance and guru, and I don't know of any respectable service providers bidding for work this way. For all their hype, these sites are really just a feeding frenzy of designers desperate for work. Not the best plan for the client IMO, but the people who are attracted to this model aren't my clients anyway.

Whether the same principle is true for contractor.com, I have no idea, but it is something I would be concerned about if I were exploring this option. It appears they have everything to gain and nothing to lose. That always makes my flags go up. I could easily be wrong, but I'd want to be sure before taking the plunge.
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That just leads me to wonder what you would be competing against when you bid. I can't say anything about contractor.com because I don't know anything about them. But in my work, there are sites like elance and guru, and I don't know of any respectable service providers bidding for work this way. For all their hype, these sites are really just a feeding frenzy of designers desperate for work. Not the best plan for the client IMO, but the people who are attracted to this model aren't my clients anyway.

Whether the same principle is true for contractor.com, I have no idea, but it is something I would be concerned about if I were exploring this option. It appears they have everything to gain and nothing to lose. That always makes my flags go up. I could easily be wrong, but I'd want to be sure before taking the plunge.
5K deposit would keep a lot of riff raff out or at least poor riff raff.
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5K deposit would keep a lot of riff raff out or at least poor riff raff.
Definitely the poor riff raff anyway.

At least the riff raff need to be within driving distance. In things like web design and graphics (my examples above), dealing with a local source is optional. Just think if they could outsource remodeling from anywhere in the world. I'm sure someone is trying to figure out a way to do that.
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^ my remodeling robots are almost ready...
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I"ll post results since I'm one of the only ones I see that took the plunge --

See ya in July for the verdict
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How would you like to get that kind of money up front. Imagine getting 500 contractors to sign up and get an average of 5K from each for zip code territories = 1.25 million dollars in the bank. Not counting this thing called a retainer. Well that's another 1.25 million dollars in the bank. Interest alone will run your company and anything you get additional from the contractors is gravy on top of you potatoes.
Mean while you're out running around chasing home owners around giving out FREE?? estimates.

Here is the cost below. Don't forget to read the part about the retainer/deposit. That's in case you dead beats don't pay contractors.com do them for the job fee.

So yes it is only 7.5% to a max of 750 dollars. Not 10% of the job.

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Directory Listing

The annual cost of a company listing is $100 for each Trade/Territory you appear in. Territories are pre-defined areas consisting of approximately 100,000 households.
Example:
A company listing in the trade categories Siding and Windows in 3 territories (approx. 300,000 households) result in an annual fee of $600. (2 trades) X (3 territories) = $600.

Each Trade entitles you to select as many of the ‘Job Types’ you service within that Trade category.
Example:
Trade: Windows
Job Types available: (Wood windows – Install), (Wood windows – Repair), (Vinyl windows – Install),( Vinyl windows – Repair), (Aluminum windows – Install), (Aluminum windows – Repair), (Steel windows – Install), (Steel windows – Repair), (Glass block)

Free Leads Program

If you qualify for this program then Contractors.com guarantees your work with the homeowner and provides you with free leads. When you complete the work, you pay us 7.5% of the first $10,000 (max fee = $750). This program is limited to just three companies in each Territory (in some cases waiting lists are available). Each participating contractor gets all the leads we generate in their selected Trades and Territories.
There are no additional costs (other than Directory Listing fees) to participate, but because Contractors.com guarantees the work performed by the contractors in this program (up to $50,000), only a small percentage of companies are accepted. Requirements include: in business for the past 5 years, excellent history of job performance and superior customer references, appropriate licensing and insurance coverages. Registrants are required to deposit either $2,500 and $5,000 (depending on selected Trades) against claims and unpaid job fees.
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