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Old 11-26-2008, 09:49 AM   #21
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Relevancy and backlinks will make the rankings better. Don't know your site, but that's a good place to start.

....can you elaborate on this?

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Main Entry: rel·e·vance Pronunciation: \ˈre-lə-vən(t)s\ Function: noun Date: 1733 1 a: relation to the matter at hand b: practical and especially social applicability : pertinence <giving relevance to college courses>2: the ability (as of an information retrieval system) to retrieve material that satisfies the needs of the user

This is the number 1 rule Google wants you to abide by. The more relevant the information is on your site (to what the user/searcher/potential customer is looking for), the better your ranking will be.

Google goes even further in their assumption that if there are other relevant sites that are linking to your site on a regular (time interval) basis, that your site is REALLY relevant to what the searcher is looking for, be it information or services or products. Therefore, with time (and it takes time) your page rank will increase and place you closer and closer to the top of the organic results.

FYI-"Page rank" is not where your site shows in the organic results but rather a score given to a site according to set criteria determined by Google according to what Google believes will enhance the user (searcher) experience. This phrase has been trade marked by Larry Page, one of the Google founders to describe importance of sites that have been indexed on Google.

I am a contractor who has been studying internet marketing for a while as a hobby. SO I will put this in terms a contractor can understand.

Did you get your basic contracting knowledge from the forums?

No. But the forums do provide you support with unique situations or conditions from which you can go forward based on some else's experience. That what the forum is good for.

If you want to learn more about how to be succesfull on Google. Go to Google and put in your time. They have training programs available for free that will teach you how to be successfull using their medium. I say "their" medium because Google IS the internet. They own 80% of the world's traffic. And they do because they have it figured out. They know what their users want. Just like you know what your customers want when they hire you to do a job.

I laugh at some of the guys here who believe "marketing techniques" are a slimy or otherwise untruthful way of garnering a customer, especially on the internet. But here is the real truth of the matter:

1-People search for information on the net (let's just assume we are talking about your service),

2-If you have followed Google's rules that have been built around what THEIR customers want in search, then you have the opportinity to make that customer your customer by providing what the customer WANTS.

See, these "techniques" are simply Google's rules that were established in order to enhance the user experience.. Boiled down, the rule states: "Give the customers EXACTLY" what they want". Now, if the customer gets exactly what they want, and you get what you want (their money), isn't everyone happy?

Here is a good place to start:

http://www.google.com/adwords/learningcenter/index.html

You can use this info to do "local" adwords and it should be really cheap advertising. Also, you will learn about relevancy through learning about keywords and how they relate to your customer's searches for the services you provide.

Better yet, go through all the training Google has to offer and you will solve your internet knowledge vacccum without having to get it (knowledge) piece meal from the forums.

There are some other places to go for training where you can learn even more "techniques" that will enable you to be found in the organic results for free, such as the article method mentioned above.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask. I love talking about this stuff more than caulk and insulation
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Google goes even further in their assumption that if there are other relevant sites that are linking to your site on a regular (time interval) basis, that your site is REALLY relevant to what the searcher is looking for, be it information or services or products. Therefore, with time (and it takes time) your page rank will increase and place you closer and closer to the top of the organic results.
Thanks for the great addition to this thread Ivinni! You posted some really helpful information.

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I hoped that I didn't hijack your thread.

Teaching others helps to cement my own studies in my mind as well as paying it forward for the help I have recieved in the past.

Thanks for the comment.
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I am almost 100% positive, there is no ranking system.

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Just some FYI...

Ranking systems exist -- and each one of the hundreds Search Engines out there has one. Almost everything involving these ranking systems and their related processes are usually proprietary and treated as trade secrets.

To water it down into a simple paragraph, the Ranking Systems are actually more of a combination of (1) algorithms that determine the frequency of keywords applying to the subject of the page and the site overall, (2) indexing algorithms that act as a sort of "checks and balances" method to deal with attempts to spam search engine, and (3) people that go in and review pages that have been indexed and ranked to make sure that unscrupulous SEO techniques haven't been used to gain higher rankings. All in all it's done to make sure that people get relevant pages. To stay ahead of search engine spammers, they are also always updating and revising their indexing and ranking systems. This is why high-level Search Engine Optimization techniques are too fleeting to put into books and almost as much of an Art as it is a gray Science. I say "gray" because outside of the use of well-written content on a website there's often a fine line between positive and negative SEO techniques.

The Search Engine world is a whole industry unto itself apart from most Internet-related services. If you want to start keeping up with it a good place to start is http://searchenginewatch.com/ .

Good luck and hope that helps shed some light on the subject.
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Great info on this thread. Thanks!
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outside of the use of well-written content on a website there's often a fine line between positive and negative SEO techniques.
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Forget about it. I removed this post, but I disagree with everyone regarding the ranking and formulas. It really does not matter, with the exceptions that I think putting every word, possible, on the home page, is very important.

I agree with the very first post regarding everything, except the rankings, and I have already started to implement many of his ideas. He certainly knows much more that I do.

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Current definition of keywords means keyword and phrases within your content. Major search engines have not supported the keyword meta tag since 2002 or before. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_tag

The title will help search engines to verify content of the page. Example; home page has your industry, company name, etc. while your contact page would be titled contact business name, location etc.
You will come up as #1 on search the more specific your terms because the competition is less for those terms.
What matters is what people are actually searching for vs. how much competition for those set of words phrases.

Example; If I search for energy drink I get 4,850,000 results. So you would be in competition with 4.8 million websites for those terms.
If I narrow my search to energy drink green Minnesota I get 338,000 results. That narrows my competition for a number one ranking significantly. But now we need to know how many people are actually searching for those terms.
So you need to be creative when researching keyword popularity.
Keeping in mind people usually start their search with broad terms then narrow them if they don't find what they are looking for.
That will give you the most traffic for your chosen keywords.

Of course the other techniques, backlinks, content quality etc. are important for search engines also.
So i guess i can delete the keyword meta tags Ive used since may 2002. I have the keywords in the body of the index page anyway. I have a meta pragma no cache so my page forces updates for caching browsers. is that obsolete too? also a robots revisit after 10 days... obsolete? many times when i do searches i find those jigsaw business directory pages that all look similar and tell me that A W SMITH has not created a profile or blog yet. or hasn't been rated yet. should i fill those out? theres an awful lot of them clogging my searches.
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So i guess i can delete the keyword meta tags Ive used since may 2002. I have the keywords in the body of the index page anyway. I have a meta pragma no cache so my page forces updates for caching browsers. is that obsolete too? also a robots revisit after 10 days... obsolete? many times when i do searches i find those jigsaw business directory pages that all look similar and tell me that A W SMITH has not created a profile or blog yet. or hasn't been rated yet. should i fill those out? theres an awful lot of them clogging my searches.
I believe the robots visit still works and is very important. I set mine to something like 5 or 7 days.

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Forget about it. I removed this post, but I disagree with everyone regarding the ranking and formulas. With the exception of being below the paid advertisers, and internet yellow pages, who may also pay to be on the top, you can't get any better than the very top of the search results, and this is accomplished with no key words, no meta tags, and without registering the site with MSN, Yahoo, nor Googgle, and this can be accomplished within two weeks after starting a new site.

I agree with the very first post regarding everything, except the rankings, and I have already started to implement many of his ideas. He certainly knows much more that I do.
Your statement would be more clear if you could reference which person and posts you are refering to. Thanks.
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So i guess i can delete the keyword meta tags Ive used since may 2002. I have the keywords in the body of the index page anyway. I have a meta pragma no cache so my page forces updates for caching browsers. is that obsolete too? also a robots revisit after 10 days... obsolete? many times when i do searches i find those jigsaw business directory pages that all look similar and tell me that A W SMITH has not created a profile or blog yet. or hasn't been rated yet. should i fill those out? theres an awful lot of them clogging my searches.
I've primarily used the meta title, keyword and description tags only. The title and description are most important to me. I don't have robots revisit tag and going through server logs GoogleBot and all the other major search engine bots visit my site multiple times daily.

Build your relevant backlinks and the spiders will be coming.

As for the directories you are talking about I would personally stick to the more local, state or city specific business directories.

There are also a few paid contractor web directories that one can submit a site to and gain high quality one-way backlinks immediately. They range from $10 to $50+/year for the one's I've used. Don't count on these for traffic but the directories are spidered multiple times per day... Your link in their directory also gets spidered multiple times per day.

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Your statement would be more clear if you could reference which person and posts you are refering to. Thanks.
Sorry. Bad with remembering names and just about everything else. I was talking about the person who started this thread, 'Carlsore'. The first post had some great ideas. Hope I didn't upset him? Sorry!

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Sorry. Bad with remembering names and just about everything else. I was talking about the person who started this thread, 'Carlsore'. The first post had some great ideas. Hope I didn't upset him? Sorry!
So, you are basically speaking on the differences of paid advertising verses organic search results?
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This post now ranks #2 in Google for "3 tips to better google rankings"

That shows how fast and easy original articles can start getting exposure in the search engines.

A little experiment: (for those who have some spare time and want more exposure from the search engines)

Write a 500+ word article about choosing a contractor in your specific city, or something related to your specific trade and your city.

"Choosing A Vancouver BC Electrician"
"Kitchen Remodeling Ideas In Denver"
"Nanaimo BC Custom Log Home Building"

Are some various title ideas... It's important your article title contains your trade/services and the area you serve. Write at least 500 words pertaining to your trade and geographic area... Make it generic so it's not all about me, me, me... You get a signature file in the article to link back to your website.

Submit the article to 1 article directory only... such as ezinearticles.com or goarticles.com and wait a few days and see what happens.

If anyone spends the time to do this I'll bet your article is ranked within the top 5 spots of Google within 7 days.

See... If "Nanaimo BC Custom Log Home Building" was your article title, your article will likely get picked up for many keyword phrases containing "Nanaimo (the location you serve), Custom Log Home (your trade),

Eg...

Nanaimo log home builder
custom log home builder in nanaimo bc
nanaimo custom home builder

And many more keyphrase combinations that potential clients might find you with. To get the most out of this it's important you don't submit the same article to several directories. Instead write different articles and submit them as well... This is a great way to generate one-way back links to your website.

For those who don't like writing... Forget I even told you this!

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For anyone who doubts what Carl just stated, please refer to my post from about one month ago, regarding Advanta Credit Card being a Rip-Off.

Just Google any term associated with Advanta and problems or fraud or scam, etc...

I watched that thread the evening I posted my real life experiences with that Advanta, Scam, Rip-Off, etc... company and saw it appear within the 1st 1-5 listings on the front page of Google within just a matter of 2 hours.

I would bet that it is still on the 1st page even now.

Now, if the company that was supposed to do my website that accepted the job would have had my website done, I would already have changed my signature for the back-link to my site.

Since Advanta Credit Cards are not relevant to Roofing, etc..., the relevance would not be as high, but the point is, that a topical post or article submitted will catch on like wild fire.

(By the way, see the key words I just used so that Google catches this too?)

I need a new web guy to take over. I give up on this guy, unless he answers my e-mail from yesterday by the beginning of next week, just in case he is out of town. This BS has been going on since the end of last April.

Carl.....I think I recognize your company as an affiliate with MYM and Rick Hershaw, (sp) Is that where I know your talents from? JNDavis Roofing out of California.....Is that one of your first clients through them? Also, Lon Smith out of Texas too, right?

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For anyone who doubts what Carl just stated, please refer to my post from about one month ago, regarding Advanta Credit Card being a Rip-Off.

Just Google any term associated with Advanta and problems or fraud or scam, etc...

I watched that thread the evening I posted my real life experiences with that Advanta, Scam, Rip-Off, etc... company and saw it appear within the 1st 1-5 listings on the front page of Google within just a matter of 2 hours.
I have had my original articles dominate the first 5 search results on Google for several months at a time. It's not hard to monopolize the listings if you're market has little competition.

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Carl.....I think I recognize your company as an affiliate with MYM and Rick Hershaw, (sp) Is that where I know your talents from? JNDavis Roofing out of California.....Is that one of your first clients through them? Also, Lon Smith out of Texas too, right?
I have no affiliation with any of the names mentioned. I've been online since 2002 with a membership site providing lead generation tools for sales people primarily in the home business area, brokers etc...

My contracting specific site wasn't launched until this year when I saw a market that needed more choices. There are 1000's of web design firms but not so many who build and design for specific niches. I've been succesful with this approach already so why not build another?

Outside of my "other" clients I've built a few sites for contractor friends, a family member, some local contractors, a few members of this forum as well as some ongoing SEO work from the forum as well. My own SEO work is also starting to pay off.

Anybody can design a website... But the internet marketing side of things you can't really go to school to learn, instead you need to rely on mentors, eBooks, seminars, forums and most importantly by doing.

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Little side note -- in this case,a huge part of it is due to this site, how it indexes info and how many people use it regularly. If we were to check the web server logs with the ability to identify Google spiders we'd find more than a few of them on a daily basis PLUS spiders from plenty of other search engines that Google is either affiliated with or straight raids data from. <ehem>

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For anyone who doubts what Carl just stated, please refer to my post from about one month ago, regarding Advanta Credit Card being a Rip-Off.
I concur. This a VERY informative thread!

For those who are in a quagmire about what to do on the internet regarding your business, pay attention.
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Little side note -- in this case,a huge part of it is due to this site, how it indexes info and how many people use it regularly. If we were to check the web server logs with the ability to identify Google spiders we'd find more than a few of them on a daily basis PLUS spiders from plenty of other search engines that Google is either affiliated with or straight raids data from. <ehem>
Yes this site has some great link popularity and no doubt is the reason for the fast ranking. Some of the major article directories and content providers also carry heavy link popularity and would rank a targeted article just as fast.

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