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Old 11-06-2010, 07:48 AM   #21
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Re: Small Island - Use Stock Cabs And Parts - How To Detail?


I don't understand why that Island is at 30 degrees.
You're flooring layout is going to be awkward.

45 degrees would give more space between the fridge and island
45 would make that acute angle miter on the panel easier.

Seems like a lot of wasted space in the "pocket " behind the panel.

......and don't forget an outlet that will be needed in the island for "code"
That's one that DOES make sense.

Just some thoughts.
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Old 11-06-2010, 07:59 AM   #22
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Just one question... why do you want to angle the island... your not working with a large kitchen IMO and a 60" x 50" FP is going to consume a lot of space... if your insistent on the angle i would at least go 45 degrees but if it were me i would go parallel and square to the room, what ever is going to be more user freindly... but that island layout still is unbalanced.. IMO I would try to get some uniformity and balance in your design so the kitchen will flow smoothly from one end to the other and have enough space to work in that is not cramped and awkward......

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The layout is done so it is easy and comfortable for more than one person to work and hang out in the kitchen. The house is a vacation getaway, used for the parents to get together with their adult children and their families. Meal prep is multi-person deal, one at the sink area doing some food prep, someone at the range cooking, and always someone needing fresh cold beer from the fridge.

The angle basically provides clearance so people aren't bumping butts. And client likes the arrangement. The planked ceiling has its board alignment rotated 30 degrees to match the island skew.

Working with a couple local dealers of lines such as Merrillat, KraftMaid, and Medallion, we see we have some options. The range is now tucked tight to the R against a spice rack pullout, and the cab to its L is a double-drawer 18w, the top drawer having a shallow drawer tight against the top inside. An extended stile L permits a frame of 1x parts to be screwed to the side, and a deco door panel mounts to the frame.

Xray image shows an idea of how to finish the exposed end of the flanker base, other pic shows three peeps in kitchen space.
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Here is a quick idea for you
This would also create some separation from the rangeSmall island - use stock cabs and parts - how to detail?-islandangle.png.jpg
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Old 11-06-2010, 03:13 PM   #25
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Thanks. We already modeled an arrangement like that.

Way too massive for the space, and it makes the range far too visible a feature when one enters the adjoining greatroom from the entry foyer.
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go for it Upnorth...if you like it.. build it.. I think it's a matter of personal preference when it comes to designs & layouts...but you have to keep space and user orientation in mind.. it is an interesting design for an island..unussual..but it's just not my cup of tea based on your size limitations...personally... not for that small of a kitchen..JMO.

I understand what you are saying about size being an issue...just think it's a little cramped from your layout specs... but hey... throw some pics up of the project if you like.. that would be an interesting layout to see..

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Complete rethink. No more stock components.

The finish for this kitchen will be "select" knotty eastern white pine. We'll get a package from Scherr's Cabinets and Doors, Minot, ND, that will include the frameless carcases (all KD) for the kitchen, plus the three we'll use in the island.

Kitchen fronts will be slab drawerfronts, simple frame-with-flat-panel doors. Scherr's will furnish all sanded but unfinished, so that the on-site finish done to everything will match. A "campy" look is desired, so finish will be all brushed on, beginning with sanding sealer, then a few coats of satin poly.

Fridge panel, planked ceiling, and island sides will be done using 1x6 bevel-edge T&G boards, with selected boards used for the fronts of the three pullouts (two deep drawers to L of range, one spice pullout to R). Epco pulls to be used, EPC-DP42-BL3. Sketchup model done to 1:1 scale, and includes all hidden framing, backing, box stands, etc.

Third pic below shows the Rev-A-Shelf kit to be used. Credit to Randy Nightengale, a True32'er.
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And here is a link to a slideshow showing it going together on site. http://screencast.com/t/VzHBaQtNB5e
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AHA !!!

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That is one poorly designed island, especially the wine rack under the overhang. Each time someone goes to select a bottle, have to keep in mind not to bang your head.
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"That is one poorly designed island, especially the wine rack under the overhang. Each time someone goes to select a bottle, have to keep in mind not to bang your head."

Thanks for your thoughtful and considerate comment. What else is awful about it?
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Didn't say it was awful...just it is poorly designed...you never place accessible space under the overhang...
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Yes you did. I read "especially" to infer there is much more you don't like.

But, hey, what do I care? You are not my client.

How did you like the winder staircase across the hall from it? Any problems with that?

With your high standards, you should be doing some photo essays here. How about it?
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Yes you did. I read "especially" to infer there is much more you don't like.

But, hey, what do I care? You are not my client.

How did you like the winder staircase across the hall from it? Any problems with that?

With your high standards, you should be doing some photo essays here. How about it?
Take it easy. He's just voicing his opinion. I tend to agree to a point. It's not great, but hey, your options are limited with the space and if the client is happy then who cares. sometimes we have to do stuff we aren't in love with because that's the only option.
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And here is a link to a slideshow showing it going together on site. http://screencast.com/t/VzHBaQtNB5e
Nice job on the Sketchup!
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I know upnorth doesn't care for criticism but I have to chime in as a painter, you do not want to 'brush on' a couple coats of poly. Should be sprayed out. The knotty pine will look rustic. The drips and runs from brushing out the poly and sealer will look half assed, particular difficulty being the wine racks.

I've only been in the trades for five years but I see the conflict between designers and and the contractors frequently. Having a designer come in and ask a bunch of contractors if their design will work is like asking a manhattan fire brigade if they would like five minutes with bin laden in a dark, sound insulated room.
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I'm almost done with an island in kitchen remodel, just need to add baseboard and paint it.
In remodeling, we reused old cabinets, modified as necessary, used one of the extra drawers for the island.
No stove in it, I had taken out a pennsula as the kitchen/dinette two areas were too confining, so I made it one room, then added the island.
I did not enclose it, as I wanted it to be more open, plus the new stove will be from Elmira Stove Works in Canada (an antique reproduction) and an enclosed island would have blocked the view of the stove. (You can see the orginal white stove in the background, the Elmira Stove is in shipping.
All the legs cuts were done by hand with a skill saw.
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The owners want to finish themselves, they want to brush it, and they have demonstrated excellent technique for doing so in their current rustic cabin. And the owner is always right. Always.

They know about conditioners, have used various kinds, have done antiquing, glazing, water-soluble colors, and more.

Do you know that a lot of Clive Christian installations get brush-painted? Have you watched the segment on This Old House where a kitchen cab job gets professionally brushed, because it added the antique authenticity the owners and their designer wanted? Where all the trim for a big house trim-out got factory painted, done by spraying up to final coat, but brushing on the final, all to get the "authentic" brush marks?

Me, I consider myself a pretty good hand-finisher, too, quit doing drips and sags years ago. But I'm not going to finish this one.
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I hope that wasn't directed at me because I was addressing Greg's nonsense code comment.

You're up North where common sense still prevails.

He's in the out-of-control city where they are still trying to regulate common sense with codes and rules.








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there is no common sense up north, been here 8 months and I have seen some of the finest hackery in existence.

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