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Old 08-26-2016, 10:13 PM   #21
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If you go with ICF for the lower level, will you do synthetic stucco/dryvit as the wall finish on that? If so, you could do stucco pop-outs around the windows to add some detail. The foam is cheap, so it's not an expensive detail to add. You could even do a stucco pop-out with a different wall finish inside, something like the front-left on this: http://61custom.com/houseplans/studi...ny-house-plan/ You could do it vertically or horizontally. That will give you a bit of a contemporary vibe.

Another idea would be a galvanized roof and more farmhouse-style details, like some handmade barn-door style shutters and white board & batten siding.

If you're going for as-cheap-as-possible, I'd definitely look into something like omni block. It saves you from having to do wall finishes on both sides. You can always add something down the road, but it gets you moved in for less. (I have no affiliation with the company...I was just pleasantly surprised by the estimate they provided me.)
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Old 08-26-2016, 11:42 PM   #22
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Here's a quick farmhouse-style front for your floorplan:

Don't beat me up too badly, people. This is a 15 minute render of a style I don't normally do, while drinking white russians on a Friday night. Yes, I'm that much of a geek that this is what I do for fun on a Friday night...

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I hadn't thought too much about the finish on the ICFs, I'm only using them for the foundation, stick frame up from there.

I watched an omni block video, that stuff looks pretty sweet. I don't have any mason buddies and I don't know how to stack block so I can't go that route.

For insulation we are planning to corbond.

Board and bat would be cool, and changing the siding at the floor level. We do plan to do a metal roof and side the shop area with the same stuff, so I wonder if with all those vertical lines if board and bat would be too much and lap siding would be better?

I'll work on some elevation drawings.
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Yes, it may be too much vertical. Post your elevation sketches when you get them done.

I'd probably play around with taking the metal all the way up in some areas, then taking the siding all the way down, with trim between. That's more of a contemporary thing though, so it just depends on the style you're going for.
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Where is the staircase to go from shop on lower floor to house on upper floor?

What is the reasoning behind the big glu-lam beams? You could probably do just as well or even better using TJIs for the second floor spanning the 28' distance and land the platform on the exterior walls and transfer the load and shear to a full foundation.
With the Glu-lams you need to make a huge footer for the four posts and you are still not dealing with the shear required.

There is a door leading out to...? Is that the entry door?

That is a lot of space to heat.

Perhaps you might think about an other wall with a door at the entry to crate kind of a mudroom/airlock area? You have the room for it.

How will it be heated?

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What is the reasoning behind the big glu-lam beams? You could probably do just as well or even better using TJIs for the second floor...
Personally, I prefer open web trusses for floors because it's easier to run plumbing, hvac and electrical. But I'm assuming he's framing this himself with the occasional help of a friend or two, and a post and beam style is easier to frame without help and a crane.
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Personally, I prefer open web trusses for floors because it's easier to run plumbing, hvac and electrical. But I'm assuming he's framing this himself with the occasional help of a friend or two, and a post and beam style is easier to frame without help and a crane.
I think we are going to have to agree that we disagree on the post & beam being easier to frame then. I have rolled trusses by myself on a first story build, TJIs would be a cinch in comparison to that.

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I planned to set the glulams with my gradall, I would rather roll out 28` tjis though. That's what an engineer came up with for the floor so it could clear span that 28`. I'll check out a span chart on tjis.

Staircase goes from shop(basement) to house level.

That door is the entry, I was thinking mudroom, the washer and dryer will be in there as well. Closing in that room is doable.

I'll be doing great with propane or electric, but the everyday heat will be wood.
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Where is the staircase to go from shop on lower floor to house on upper floor?

What is the reasoning behind the big glu-lam beams? You could probably do just as well or even better using TJIs for the second floor spanning the 28' distance and land the platform on the exterior walls and transfer the load and shear to a full foundation.
With the Glu-lams you need to make a huge footer for the four posts and you are still not dealing with the shear required.

There is a door leading out to...? Is that the entry door?

That is a lot of space to heat.

Perhaps you might think about an other wall with a door at the entry to crate kind of a mudroom/airlock area? You have the room for it.

How will it be heated?

Andy.
Andy , a lot of Glu-lams used in this part of the country, rarely ever see huge footers for them. Lots of times they are just let into the concrete walls. And the shear thing is not a real big issue here neither yet. Also this looks to be in the county , which in most cases have different rule for what you can and can't do, not that he is not going to do it right. Montana and California build things way different.
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Seems like if you're doing a shouse with metal siding, it'd be because it's cheaper.

Doing vinyl siding gives you a lot more options for detail/style such as shakes, board & batten, and window trim. But this doesn't really fit in the same price category as a shouse with metal siding. Am I missing something?
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Seems like if you're doing a shouse with metal siding, it'd be because it's cheaper.

Doing vinyl siding gives you a lot more options for detail/style such as shakes, board & batten, and window trim. But this doesn't really fit in the same price category as a shouse with metal siding. Am I missing something?
No sure what he has in mind , but steel lap siding instead of vinyl is use in our area too, In fact I rarely do vinyl siding , 3 jobs in 20 years, mostly steel lap siding which holds up far better here. And it is one of the more durable , green siding products on the market today.
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That's interesting. In three years sales, I haven't ever sold any steel lap siding, and 75% of what we use is vinyl. Have a good weekend.
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That's interesting. In three years sales, I haven't ever sold any steel lap siding, and 75% of what we use is vinyl. Have a good weekend.
Kind of a regional thing steel lap siding. Mountain states , high wind areas. Wind will suck vinyl right off the wall where I am at. I do so much steel that I turn down doing the other stuff.

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Thanks for all the input everyone!

I talked to my lumber salesman this morning when I was picking up the ICFs. He said that a 14" TJI will span at 12" OC, and 16" TJI will span at 16" OC. I would rather build it this way so I think I will go this route most likely.

For metal siding I was thinking 3` wide panels, just like the roof will be getting, and doing smartside or hardie or a similar lap siding product on the house level.

I don't like vinyl, it seems that it gets brittle and breaks during the winter on the houses I've seen with it. I'm not overly familiar with it, but I also don't like how you can see the double lap on all of the joints.

You don't see too much metal lap siding going up around here, lots of hardie and smartside.
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Thanks for all the input everyone!

I talked to my lumber salesman this morning when I was picking up the ICFs. He said that a 14" TJI will span at 12" OC, and 16" TJI will span at 16" OC. I would rather build it this way so I think I will go this route most likely.

For metal siding I was thinking 3` wide panels, just like the roof will be getting, and doing smartside or hardie or a similar lap siding product on the house level.

I don't like vinyl, it seems that it gets brittle and breaks during the winter on the houses I've seen with it. I'm not overly familiar with it, but I also don't like how you can see the double lap on all of the joints.

You don't see too much metal lap siding going up around here, lots of hardie and smartside.
Pretty much the same over here in Great Falls on new houses anyhow. You should look into the 8in steel lap siding. Think you would be pleased with it. Aside out of Billings comes to Helena all the time

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Our old house in Butte had metal siding, I like the wood grain style more than the smooth.
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I missed the 11' ceiling part...that's natural a/c right there.

Of course, colors and veneers are yours to define. I was looking to practice on something REAL...so here you go.
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Our old house in Butte had metal siding, I like the wood grain style more than the smooth.
Think I have only seen smooth in aluminum, and all steel I put on has wood grain.
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Wallmax that looks awesome! What program do you use? I downloaded sketch up but haven't had time to play with it.

I've got the footings set, and I picked up the ICFs. It rained all weekend so I want to wait a couple days for the ground to dry out before I pour, it's gumbo clay.
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Here's some pictures.

You can't see it in the picture but on the foundation wall against the hill I'm worried about it leaning in when I backfill. I set those footing forms six feet wide, that should help keep the foundation wall from bowing in once the weight of the dirt is holding down that footing. Should I also do a short return into the hillside at the middle of the wall? Or should that oversized footing be sufficient?
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