RRP And The EPA Must Be Stopped

sayswho

i took the test in IL and that wasnt exactly what the trainer told us about not being able to do a job...

we were told that we can test and if it is positive, then we move forward with the RRP rule...

now this is what he did say... say the homeowner decides on his own to go and get an independent test after i did mine just to confirm.. if he hires a EPA Firm to test, then we have to walk from the job and it becomes an abatement job at that point as you stated..

solarguy

Sounds like we've had 18 years to address the issue. Now it's all about too little too late.
Don't panic. Get the certificate and deal with it.

FStephenMasek

Yes, the lead regulations have been building for a long time, and primarily during the two G. H. W. and G. W. Bush administrations. The latest OSHA asbestos regulations came out in 1994, so they are also old news.

Lead and asbestos are real hazards. Are we going to keep having lead-poisoned children (and some workers), and contractors dying from asbestos exposures 30 years from now, or is it long past time to stop that waste?

Yes, the regulations could be radically simplified, and would surely be more effective if that was done, but why do you think EPA came out with RRP? It seems most likely that they knew that all of the existing regulations were being widely ignored. I've not heard any better explaination.

As for money, think about fines up to $37,500 per day, how many such fines any half-competent government employee could write every week, and it seems clear that EPA could afford to hire large numbers of employees, each producing their annual pay in fines every week.
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1mancrew

Of course they could hire the manpower to enforce.
200,000 contractors x $300 registration = $60,000,000

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TimberlineMD

Mike,
It's my guess that less than 1% of the industry is going to comply with this rule and take a look and see approach to see what enforcement, if any, the EPA can apply to residental improvement market. I am a GC in CA and in 2005 the state decided that anyone replacing HVAC equipment needed to have a duct test done and cerified by a state inspector. I figured that this was going to be a gold mine and became one of those state inspectors. Result-less than 5% compliance in the industry.

Another personal observation. The HVAC contractors that were complying with the law and trying to compete with the ones that weren't have gone out of business. The ones that I personally know decided that they didn't want the liability of possible heavy fines with the state if they followed there non-compliant competetors business model.

hiteams

I've heard several stories of contractors who got lead poisoning and even poisoned their own kids (by hugging them when they got home). Many of the trainers play a video of one such contractor (in the training).

So far, the only ones I hear saying nobody gets lead poisoning ... are the contractors

Lead poisoning is not just about blue lips, seizures and death. It can be about lower IQs, mild heart/brain damage, ADHD and causing permanent damage.

How many stupid & cranky contractors do you know? Could be all those years of lead poisoning

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genecarp

This seems like a good time to retire, i have been waiting for an excuse, 6sqft of interior space, this is just another way to extort money from the working man in order to generate more $ for the politicians to steal, Do i sound angry?GMOD , i posted this in the EPA info thread, it belongs here as well.

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skarrlette

I am totally behind protesting and finding a loop hole, and I would be willing to research it too. It is ridiculous, and its just another way to take money from the little guy.

This veiled excuse that the the government and government agencies use "women and children" AND " pregnant women" IS BS. AND FRANKLY I AM TIRED OF IT, THIS IS WHAT I SAY TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR YOURSELF EVERYONE KNOWS THAT LEAD PAINT MIGHT BE IN A HOUSE BUILT BEFORE 1978 IF YOU ARE HAVING DEMO OR RENOVATIONS DONE EITHER GOT TO HOTEL, YOUR PARENTS, your friends OR MAKE SURE THE HOME IS PLASTICED OFF, WHY IS IT JUST THE CONTRACTOR'S RESPONISIBILY?

EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT LEAD EVERYONE ALL THE INFORMATION IS ON LINE, WHY IS IT MY RESPONSIBILTY TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYONE ELSE?

I am not saying just let the dust fly but honestly the scare tactics this country uses is ridiculous, everyone breathes in lead dust at some point in their lives I did you probably did, we all did probably more than once. And believe me it takes a lot of lead to do damage. I mean you would have to be a complete moron, and in that case the parents should get fined. I mean a child would have to sit on a floor and suck and knaw a lead painted piece of door molding for hours to get damaged. Or sit in front of a window while dust is flying in there face all day. I mean its ludicrous that I have to take care of other peoples families.

Its always over the top in this country with everything and they are always using health and safety as an excuse.

Why doesn't the government give grants and advertising money to help contractors make money?????? Instead of always trying to find a way to take it.

In fact since it was wall street, and the banks that made a mess out of this country and the government let them by turning a blind eye and putting money into there own pockets so now the "average joe" can't get a simple remodeling job because their is a credit freeze and no one wants to spend any money why can't I get a personal bail out for these A-H's that ruined my business?

If a government can't provide a prosperous economy which provides jobs then I say all bets are off, they defaulted on their contract with the American people as far as I am concernd and the fact that they are asking for more money is infuriating.

Health and safety??? Please are they joking? There are health and safety issues that go on all day in this country and no one cares, just look at the Health insurance industry, its legal for them to not pay for someones cancer treatments but now a contractor is going to get fine $37,500.00 a DAY FOR THIS STUPID CERTIFICATION. And I could go on, WHAT HYPOCRITES!!!!

I mean its beyond stupid!

Let's do something about it I'm willing there is only power in numbers.

Tom R

Lemme check my video's, - - I got one of a guy getting killed by a spaceship . . .

The world is a dangerous place.

No amount of money or extortion will change that.

I'd rather have blue lips from lead than brown ones from kizzin' azz . . .

Tom R

By the way, how many kids have suffocated from plastic bags??

Sounds like we need more legislation, what with these being all over the jobsites now.

(Should I break out a video to impress the sheep-for-brains)??

solarguy

Or you could make one for us.

EWB

This IS meant to put independants out of business.

Welcome to the attempt at Communism.

rselectric1

Wow, not even the trainers are on the same page! (In the same state)

No wonder there's so much confusion.

My instructor really did say (several times) that if we test, and there is lead present, we can't do the work at all. Go Figure

EDIT-I just e-mailed my instructor for clarification (for both our sakes)

EDIT #2 This is a copied and pasted response from my instructor. He is very good at returning e-mails quickly.

"The lead check is too sensitive. It will only confirm the presence of lead. When the new ones come out they will determine lead based paint. If you confirm lead based paint them you must hire an abatement contractor. This is in Illinios only as far as o know.
I hope this helps."

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Mike Finley

From your website


So I guess you have your dog in the fight.

Why are you a member on this website are you a contractor? Are you certified?

Do you not agree that compliance should be enacted in a way that compliance can be attainable by contractors without being forced out of buisness or being turned into a criminal?

We have speeding laws and we have cops to enforce them.

This legislation is identical to having a 2 mph speeding law on the highway and then having 3 cops for the entire country to enforce it.

What do you think happens to truck drivers if a law like that was passed?

If truck drivers make money by the amount of deliveries they can make, those that followed the new law would have a very hard time making a living. Those who ignored it would have an un-fair advantage. With only 3 cops patroling the entire country there would be no fear for those who wanted to drive faster then the 2 mph limit. What if they passed the 2 mph law and to comply with it it took a truck driver to study a 400 page training manual? Many would say the truck drivers who followed the law would simply pass along their extra costs to the end users. Instead of delivering 100 loads a year for $50,000 salary they would simply charge much more and only make 50 deliveries a year but still get their same income.

This is the RRP as it sits now.

It's absurd
It's impossible to comply with 100%
It's impossible to comply with without costing contractors a lot of profitability
It turns contractors into EPA officials, trainers and public educators
Those who don't comply will have an unfair advantage
It makes it much harder for legitmate contractors to make a living in a recession where there is so much pressure coming from all sides to cut corners just to survive

hiteams

Mike,

Just repeating what researchers, doctors and scientist know (lead poisoning).

I'm a contractor, doing bathroom remodels. I did an early post, that mentioned doing several RRPs already and also mentioned that while it is not fun to do ... no need to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Compliance is not hard. Not fun, but not hard

I'm a Certified Firm and Renovator.

Compliance can be laying down a sheet of plastic (on some projects). Not all that hard.

Paper work, I can do in 10 min now.

Do I like this new rule. NO. Do I wish they were going to leave in the Opt-Out. Yes.

Just like you, except for I've gone out of the shock and anger stage months ago.

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Mike Finley

Time for your refresher course.

What interior remodeling project would be in compliance by laying down a sheet of plastic as the only requirement?

charlesmd

oldfrt

Even if this ruling gets delayed,its pretty much going to happen.
We should concentrate on what can be done to help our business survive .

The bottom line is we have to have a way to separate ourselves from those that don't comply ,so our costs can be passed along without losing jobs to anyone not taking the precautions.

Number one should be leveling the playing field.
I know its going to be tough,since enforcement is minimal,so we got to throw the burden and expense back at those who impose the new regs.

Found this blog started 2 days ago where this is pretty much laid out:
http://www.thecontractorcoachingpart...RRP-Lead-Rule/

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hiteams

No need to be tacky.

Examples: Door replacement, patching a wall, replacing a vanity, painting, shower ... etc.

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Mike Finley

If all you want to do is lay down a piece of plastic in a house that is newer than 1978 or one that is older and been tested to be free from lead then that would be your choice. Your choice would have nothing to do with the RRP.

If the house is older then 1978 and hasn't been tested to be free from lead and you trip the 6 sq ft or 2 sq ft in a hud home, you're doing full compliance. Containments, plastic, suits, clean up, disposal proceedures, verifications etc...

There is no partial requirements it's all or nothing. There is no easy containment with all you need is a piece of plastic on the floor.

Like I said - Time for your refresher course.

On your website you say you benefit the certified remodeler by providing education and enforcement.

You'd better educate yourself first or your first turn in to the EPA might have to be yourself on your next job.