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Chief Toilet Mover
Trade: Bathroom Remodeling
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Littleton, Colorado
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be Stopped
Can someone come up with or is there already a letter that we can all use to send to our congressmen to demand a repeal of this law or a delay of it's implementation?
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The Deck Guy
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be Stopped
At what point does the EPA realize that people are just going to say F-U to all this?
Does anyone here picture themselves being 100% compliant 100% of the time? Personally, I don't think it's possible. If you don't agree, then I think you are working in a different world than I am.
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Trade: Remodeling
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Location: Northwest Connecticut
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be StoppedQuote:
http://www.wddalliance.org./pdf/WDDA%20EPA%20letter.pdf
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Chief Toilet Mover
Trade: Bathroom Remodeling
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Littleton, Colorado
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be StoppedQuote:
I saw that one from before. I don't care for it. It's too wishy washy and doesn't address the point that nobody can be compliant with the regulations. It also needs to talk about how the timing for this is ridiculous. The hardest hit sector of the economy being forced to comply with this during a recession? Ridiculous. Maybe one of our members who's a good writer could write us a form letter? Quote:
I'm in total agreement with you and that's one of the main reasons I'm so against this. There is no way a company can be 100% compliant. The EPA is basically making every person in the home improvement field a criminal on April 22nd. A 400 page training manual? Come on now! |
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Pro
Trade: Remodeling
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Northwest Connecticut
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be Stopped
I don't know how many of you are aware of this but:
Congress passed the law calling on EPA to address lead hazards created from renovation work in 1992, giving them until 1996 to issue a rule. After years of inaction, then-Senator Barack Obama forced EPA to commit to moving forward on this rule in 2005. Don't expect any mercy from this administration.
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Chief Toilet Mover
Trade: Bathroom Remodeling
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Littleton, Colorado
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be Stopped
I dealt with my first lead today who lives in an older house, I asked them if they have had their home tested for lead. Which of course they have no idea what I'm talking about. I basically told them we would only come out to do an estimate if they have their home tested for lead first or they want us to test it. At this point we aren't going to waste our time with this.
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Pro
Trade: Remodeling/building
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Live In Illinois.
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be Stopped
Today I read that the IRS will be in charge of enforcing the new "health care" laws and will hire up to 12,000 new agents for that purpose.
All the government has to do is put the IRS in charge of tracking home owners and contractors who do remodeling. I'm not smart enough to figure out all the details of how they will keep track of things, but every bone in my body says they could do it with tax returns. The Federal, State and local governments kept adding rules and regulations year after year and good contractors used them to gain an advantage over illegal's and cheats. Now there's a law that goes beyond our comfort zone so there's an uproar. My personal opinion is we're way to late in our effort to stop things like this. The fight should have been years ago, Do you actually believe the average Senator or Representative would have the stigma of voting against controlling something that poisons children? The survival of our freedoms, free enterprise and capitalism isn't on their minds nowadays. |
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Pro
Trade: GC/ Interior & Exterior Remodeling
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Bergen County, NJ
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be Stopped
I havent taken the class yet but Im signed up. I understand children and pregnant woman are prone to the dangers. Im sure I will learn something useful I didnt know before.
What strikes me is that I havent heard anyone who has taken the class say anything about there own well being, I mean we've been working in the field since young adulthood did any of you grow concerned about your own previous exposure? I always knew the eating the paint chip thing but thats mere common sense right.....There is a guy in another forum that says he used to use the lead paint from the bottom of the can as filler for trim work, he's fine. If you did 12 replacment windows a day and your cost were going up, how could you possibly expect to get a larger rate for doing half that amount now. It wont happen and we will suffer. It needs to be proven that its not real dangerous under typical conditions in order to be reworked. Then we got a chance. |
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Its all ball bearings
Trade: Tile
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Will County, Illinois
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be StoppedQuote:
http://www.housingzone.com/proremode...0&rid=18571646 http://www.contractortalk.com/f16/sp...53/#post857375 That's all I know of. Honestly, I don't work on many homes pre-1978 and the ones I do will be tile work. I'm not jumping on this bandwagon at all until the crap-cloud has settled.
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Pro
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be StoppedQuote:
Well, it's worse than I thought. I guess I really need to go find a class to take. Even if I do not get the certification. If I take the class, should that give me sufficient information to determine where the line is so that I can avoid crossing it? Looks like the safe bet is to avoid pre 78 homes altogether. But, business is slow enough as it is right now. On top of that I think my competitors will just ignore it. |
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Sluggin away
Trade: Dihydrogen monoxide remediation/GC/REO/Insurance
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Iowa - Midwest
Posts: 1,099
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be StoppedQuote:
GOOD records and good pictures and that is minimal reduction of liability but better than nothing
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Trade: Registered Home Improvement Contractor
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: South Jersey
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be Stopped
Anyone that has a house built before 1978 and cares about quality is going to have a hell of a time finding a contractor after April 22nd...I am forgoing the training, for now, and just not getting involved in any work in a home built before 1978 that requires disturbing any painted surfaces.
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Pro
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be Stopped
Maybe we should all ask our senators and congressmen why it is OK form the homeowner to put thier own children at risk, but a contractor can be ruined for the same thing.
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be StoppedQuote:
I don't think that a homeowner will be too happy about me asking for information on their home mortgage. |
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Trade: lawn care/property preservation
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: WY
Posts: 1,960
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be StoppedQuote:
This is very similar to CPSIA laws. Its put a real damper on some home industries. As I understand it the folks fighting this were never able to get it repealed or watered down. Sadly I do not expect any thing good to come from efforts to repeal RRP either. I can promise you that the animals that came up with these laws do not care in the slightest about a contractor's lack of being able to charge enough to cover all the job details, or the home owner's lack of being able to pay for properly following the new laws. They all live in new mansions built after 1978. Your plight is the absolute least of their concerns. We USED to live in the best country in the world. Its sad to see what electing idiots year after year has done to this once greatest country.
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Pro
Trade: General Contractor
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Midwest
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be Stopped
Today while I was working and trying to fathom what I would have to be doing after April 22, and it boggled my mind. I don't work in "one area" of a house, but am constantly flikking around from area to area, finding myself frequently in areas I had no intention of working, imagining having to lug the vacuum around everywhere I go (up down, up down, into the attic, down under the crawl space, all within a matter of 20 minutes) and then having to seal and plastic all those areas? I don't even have close to the money to comply. After April 22, I will be a criminal, and so will 99% of you, even if you try to follow everything to a T.
There is no way in hell I'm going to put plastic down outside and then put my ladder on it. I'm sure this violates an OSHA law. The instructor said put the sharp "teeth" into the plastic and into the ground. For one, I might move the ladder 20 times in one hour, so you've completely destroyed the integrity of the plastic, and two, I might be on concrete where it is impossible. Wrapping every piece of tear out with plastic on a complete or partial gut? And then cleaning off the bag before bringing it outside? HA! They will have to peal the hammer out of my cold dead hand before I comply. |
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Pro
Trade: General Contractor
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Midwest
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be Stopped
Civil Disobedience, that is what we need to do.
On April 22 we need to gather and work on a project without using the new laws. Perhaps we could have a second similar job going that follows all the laws to a T. Log all time and expenses for the two jobs. It would certainly bring in the media. While I'm concerned about Lead as much as the next guy, there has to be a better way that is more cost effective. |
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Pro
Trade: deck contractor
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: PA. and New Jersey
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be Stopped
This is not a money grab. This EPA action is disguised as a public protection regulation.
![]() What it really is by design is a power take over by the Government. If you haven't been watching the news about health care and what it's all about or understand you will soon. BUT IT MIGHT BE TOO LATE! ![]() I am willing to follow, lead, sacrifice if needed and do anything that would be effective to stop this very small group of people from taking over my life and my freedoms. I hope I'm not alone it's hard to carry the weight all by myself.Most folks came here to get away from just this kind of governments. We are being lead to slaughter by our rulers. Lets band together before they put a Quarantine on large groups assembling, do to the whatever-flu. ![]() Any ideas we can talk about here would help no matter how bad they sound at first. ![]() Here's a bad one just to start things off. Lets ALL boycott the regulation and see what the EPA does. They can't enforce this law they are very poorly founded, and what ever money they receive from our taxes is mostly stolen by there higher ups. aver all they are politically aliened. ![]() Mike What's the difference between a dead Politician in the road and a dead skunk in the road? Vultures will eat the skunk. Last edited by mike stanislaw; 03-19-2010 at 07:18 AM. |
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Pro
Trade: Remodeling
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Northeast, Pa
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be StoppedQuote:
I am currently working on an older house and trying to abide by the rules as I have picked them up from this and another site (class is scheduled, but not taken yet). It is a PITA. Like most government actions they have taken things too far. As Mike has said, it will be very hard to become 100% compliant. The painter showed up yesterday to power wash and start prepping for exterior paint. I believe this will be his last pre '78 paint job. He's looking for other ventures, probably out of the trades. We as contractors make most of our money (for most around here anyways) during the summer......a kink like this will run many out of business, leaving only the ones that try to maintain a legitimacy for the government buzzards.
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Re: RRP And The EPA Must Be StoppedQuote:
You also have the coalition of 12 trying to delay it, via congress I know ChrWright, Silvertree, RBS, myself & others were working on an industry wide one, but I think that died off when work schedules picked up. Maybe shoot ChrWright a PM and see what the status is. Compliance is truthfully not that hard on the EPA's part - forget all the crap you heard in class about wearing Tyvek & respirators on all jobs. That is an OSHA requirement based on lead actually being present (not assumed but known to be present) & only applies when dust levels exceed a certain level. If you trip into that, you have to do yearly medical checks, have separate shower areas etc... http://blog.sls-construction.com/?p=665 (first of 3 articles on the requirements - I suggest reading all three before you have a coronary) |
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