New EPA RRP Rule Takes Effect April 2010--ALL Trades Need To Understand This

Arthur M

In case anyone has not seen it, tis is an August update of epa fine information. I just glanced through it, too much for my little brain to remember.

http://www.leadsafelist.com/renovato...FELIST_com.pdf

Arthur M

My paint store is carrying the Hepa dustless vac for about $450, Home Depot is now carrying down the street from him for $660, nice to see how the big discount store gives bargains.

hiteams

good find. Thanks

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HenryWilter

This is a biggie...

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Arthur M

Sounds like this is the next big problem. Unless I am misunderstandin it. Coming for July 2011 to do dust sampling. Here is the link.

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2010/pdf/2010-10102.pdf

FStephenMasek

Specifically, they are proposing to require:

A) 3rd party clearance inspection and dust wipe testing only for prrojects involving the disturbance of paint using machines designed to remove paint through high speed operation or the demolition, or removal, through destructive means, of more than 6 ft2 of plaster and lath building component. In the discussion they say that sawing out sections is not "destructive means," while using sledgehammers is; and,

B) 3rd party dust wipe testing after all renovations involving:

(i) Use of a heat gun at temperatures below 1,100 degrees Fahrenheit.
(ii) Removal or replacement of window or door frames.

(iii) Scraping 60 ft2 or more of painted surfaces.

(iv) Removing more than 40 ft2 of trim, molding, cabinets, or other fixtures.

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Arthur M

Lead poisoning cases fall 97 percent

October 29, 2010
The number of children in Boston diagnosed with lead poisoning has dropped from 5,590 cases in 1993 to 163 cases through the first nine months of 2010, state, federal, and local officials announced yesterday. A partnership of nonprofit organizations, foundations, and government agencies known as the Lead Action Collaborative celebrated the 97 percent drop yesterday at the New England Carpenters Training Center in Dorchester. The collaborative works to reduce the incidence of lead poisoning in Boston’s high-risk neighborhoods. But officials said there continue to be thousands of children in the city who have measurable levels of lead in their blood.

VA Remodeler

It's good to keep seeing the good news on it as I am familiar with the percentage drops in the last 10 years from the charts that a couple of us posted on here recently. But with the "thousands" they say that are remaining, I'm wondering what percentage of that is because of dust from private home renovations? ....I believe some one recently stated on here that the new Lead Dust Rules is like killing flies with a sledge hammer.

FStephenMasek

What about the workers? My company recently inspected a high-rise built in 1903, and found plaster inside coated with lead paint with high lead content. Much of the plaster had been remolished and removed, but much remains above suspended ceilings and behind newer walls. It seems almost impossible that the workers who did the demolition work knew it was lead paint, or were properly protected. The same with those working on older aparments and houses.
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wakefield

anyone have luck with getting the legal language in their contarcts and how much did it cost

LB Fisher

I'm not sure this is as much of a contract language issue as much as it is a contracting/insurance issue. A good way to cover yourself until this issue shakes out is to have the owner directly contract their own removal. We're happy to provide the client with a list of people that would be willing to do it.

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MHROHIO

Our insurance has said it does not know how its going to handle this yet. Nice to know I could be covered.

We are looking to do the same thing, but we were told not to even give them a list just give them the link or even the info for the training facility to get there own company. We don't want to be involved in any future suit for even the recommendation. Also we would require third party testing prior to starting. Someone even suggested.....encapsulation for the micro dust.

the other option is to have the owner do the removal and they must have a permit.

We don't seem to have many following the rules here and most that I have talked with don't want or plan to until more are doing it. People still do not have any clue about this and people are being scared away or at least delaying the job until they confirm what we are telling them. Its a bit of a pain to be honest. I have had several jobs go to guys that are just trying to stay busy. Owners know that someone is willing to do it. However as the epa pops guys owners will find themselves with a government shut down kitchen renovation. I just hope that makes it to the news.

CA & AZ Builder

Cover me! I am taking the 8 hour course tomorrow :-))

Really I just got to say that in my 35+ years in the buisness with 32 as a licensed contractor in many subtrades and in numerous states, I have had so many certificates, seminars, updates, refreshers, OSHA, CPR, hazardous, asbestos, safe tresches/shoring, yada, yada, yada, that it all becomes such a blurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................sign me up!

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oncall

I work on the insurance side of things and i used to work for "homeowners" "contractors" etc... we are certified to remove the lead paint and im telling you all right now they are so srick that you will NEVER get enough money out of a homeowner for what it takes to do theses jobs right. E.G. We just demoed the plaster in 3 bedrooms and a bathroom in a home and after all the hepa filters, tape, bags, tyver suits, PPE and containment materials are bill to the insurance company was over 10000 dollars. They paid it no problem. Not to mention the negative air machines and hepa vacs. Just to start a job even one room you will need 10000. Good luck .

Arthur M

Former Detroit Lead Inspector Sentenced for Fraud

WASHINGTON — Former city of Detroit Health Department lead inspector Donald Patterson was sentenced today to three years and 10 months in prison and 24 months of supervised release on wire fraud charges stemming from an U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) investigation. In July 2010, Patterson pleaded guilty and admitted he accepted cash to provide a clean bill of health to homes in which he had either done no inspection or provided fraudulent lead removal training. Lead is a serious public health issue causing a range of health effects from behavioral problems and learning disabilities, to seizures and death. Children six years old and under are most at risk.

“The actions of this public official put the health and lives of children at risk,” said Cynthia Giles, assistant administrator for EPA’s Office of Enforcement and Compliance Assurance. “In this case, the local government inspector failed to do his job by submitting false reports for personal gain. Today’s sentencing shows that those who knowingly put the public at risk, particularly our most vulnerable citizens, our children, will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.”

Patterson, 50, was employed by the city of Detroit as a lead paint inspector. His job was to ensure that all paint-based lead hazards were safely removed from the homes he inspected. Instead, Patterson used his position to obtain cash from the owners or renters of these homes in exchange for falsely certifying that the homes were free of lead or for providing fraudulent lead removal training. Patterson admitted that between October 2008 and August 2009 he had accepted cash totaling $1,350 in connection with fraudulent abatement of lead hazards to which children were being exposed at four separate properties.
The Patterson case was investigated by EPA and the FBI, with assistance from the city of Detroit and the state of Michigan.

Michigan residents who have concerns about possible lead hazards in their homes should call the Michigan Department of Community Health Hotline at 800-648-6942.

Arthur M

I see that no one has been posting for a while now. Not sure how it is going for you guys. For me it is the end of my business. Been at it for over 50 years now. As soon as I start with the EPA stuff the customer wants nothing to do with it. The homeowners I work for are afraid that it will cause them problems down the line. I have yet to get a rrp job. I know for a fact that some of them just hired the ilegals. I had hopes that maybe I would get anough to break even. Not 100% sure on what to do at this point, but I have this bad habit of eating. Not a lot of work for over 1978 housing for me. I hope it's going better for you guys.

Leo G

Sad, just sad.

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Framer53

I agree Leo.

My handyman jobs have been for all newer than 1978 buildings except one. I refused to so anything in the building that would trigger the rile.

I do feel sorry for thos like the man from Mass. where he tries to make a living doing things the right way....

MHROHIO

Seems to me not many are following the rules in Ohio. As long as the owner has no real risk or punishment for having it done wrong, we are all in trouble. Like Arthur, many will choose to close rather than take the risk. I am not in a position to do that. With five kids and a growing business, I have to figure out how this is going to work. Anyone here about the suits filed to reverse this? Sorry to here about your plight Arthur....it is truly sad. Maybe you can become a voice for our cause?

Tech Dawg

Aurthur,
I tip my hat to you sir... Not many people have the mental/physical capabilities nor the balls to make it in this field for over 50 years. To be in business for that long does mean that you definately did some things right so at least you can bow out on much of a positve note.
Best of luck
Todd

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