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Old 12-28-2017, 05:05 PM   #61
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So.......

My court date. I offer to plead guilty and pay the fine. States Attorney says an inspector must enter and inspect the property. I refuse. So I get a trial date.

At trial I am sworn in. Plead guilty and offer to pay the fine. States Attorney will have no part of it. So under oath I state that there was a violation. I have removed the violation. My attorney and I then (under oath) presented letters from 6 neighbors stating there are no longer any violations. Then I bring in a witness. My witness is sworn in and under oath says the violations are no longer there. My witness is questioned by the States Attorney. The inspectors notes from his first site visit states the violations "are clearly visible from the street". So we continue to insist the inspector does not have to enter the property.

In the end, I am guilty. The Judge orders that I must pay $300.00 in court costs. I am fined $400.00. I have been placed on Court Supervision. AND I have been ordered to allow the inspector on my property.

I have $2500.00 in attorney costs along with the $600.00 listed above.

So what have I learned? My word means nothing. Being sworn in means nothing. Speaking under oath means nothing. Signed letters presented under oath mean nothing. Having a witness, sworn in and under oath means nothing.

I'm sorry I saw this late, too, and sorry it ended up the way it did. We're closing the gate after the horse is out now, but if I'd seen it earlier I would have had you look at this:

(725 ILCS 167) Freedom from Drone Surveillance Act.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs...0&ChapterID=54

I understand that a satellite and a drone are different things, but I would hazard a guess that most judges would understand the legislative intent of this law and would hopefully apply the generalities of it to non-real-time satellite photos. I can't believe any judges down here would let a town/county get away with that.

And - You paid an attorney who let you plead guilty? Please don't hire him again.

Don't ever plead guilty to anything that's not a traffic ticket, and certainly not before you ever have a hearing. Pleading guilty admits guilt - the judge wasn't going to listen to anything you had to say after the plea.

Had you plead not guilty, you could've/should've argued that the debris was not debris (and if you had current pictures of it from ground level you probably could've won the argument), and then once the case is kicked from court you could've/should've forced the County to obtain a warrant, rather than an order, for access to the property (and you definitely would've won that one). That all would've cost you less than court/atty/penalty fees, too.
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why do you have this empty property for so long?
and it seems you could have resolved the issue earlier on, but elected to be a hardass, and you paid for it.
Why does it matter he has an empty lot?

How could he have resolved it earlier? How is standing up for your rights being a hard ass? I guess you are just a weak ass sissy who rolls over any time someone says pay up?
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Why does it matter he has an empty lot?

How could he have resolved it earlier? How is standing up for your rights being a hard ass? I guess you are just a weak ass sissy who rolls over any time someone says pay up?
yes, its strange to hold onto an empty lot for 39 years. i'd hate to ask how much in taxes he's paid over the years.

he refused to let an inspector on lot. a city usually contacts property owner first if there is an issue. they dont just automaticaly take someone to court. i'd be willing to bet owner ignored city's letters or notices.
and its a city lot. you dont get to use a developed lot as a storage area for your junk, regardless if the neighbor can see it.
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yes, its strange to hold onto an empty lot for 39 years. i'd hate to ask how much in taxes he's paid over the years.

he refused to let an inspector on lot. a city usually contacts property owner first if there is an issue. they dont just automaticaly take someone to court. i'd be willing to bet owner ignored city's letters or notices.
and its a city lot. you dont get to use a developed lot as a storage area for your junk, regardless if the neighbor can see it.
Either he owns the lot or he doesn't. He says he does, where do you see the city owning it?
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yes, its strange to hold onto an empty lot for 39 years. i'd hate to ask how much in taxes he's paid over the years.

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Either he owns the lot or he doesn't. He says he does, where do you see the city owning it?
The owner gets to decide what happens on their lot... who do you think "owns" it?...
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Man there's land here that's been in a family for generations.
farm or developed lots? farm taxes are cheap, but developed lots have higher taxes. trust me i know. been paying taxes on a lot of lots i'm stuck with since the recession...
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yes, its strange to hold onto an empty lot for 39 years. i'd hate to ask how much in taxes he's paid over the years.

he refused to let an inspector on lot. a city usually contacts property owner first if there is an issue. they dont just automaticaly take someone to court. i'd be willing to bet owner ignored city's letters or notices.
and its a city lot. you dont get to use a developed lot as a storage area for your junk, regardless if the neighbor can see it.
Again why is it strange? Answer the question. I know people who have made millions holding onto property for less time.

I would refuse an inspector on my property as well. Get a warrant. Ya know, the constitution and all.

They contacted him through the mail. That's how it works. That's your notification. Pay up or come to court. There is no other contact usually.

Seems like you have no issue with unconstitutional actions by the govt. Good luck with that way of thinking.

My philosophy is this. If it isn't hurting anyone as no one is complaining mind your own f'ing business. If no one is complaining and you can't see it, what difference does it make if he stores anything in it? It's his property.

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farm or developed lots? farm taxes are cheap, but developed lots have higher taxes. trust me i know. been paying taxes on a lot of lots i'm stuck with since the recession...
Why see you sitting in a lot of lots? That's odd.

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farm or developed lots? farm taxes are cheap, but developed lots have higher taxes. trust me i know. been paying taxes on a lot of lots i'm stuck with since the recession...
Uhm...

So what you're saying is you're going to hold onto it until appreciates in value to exceed your purchase and taxation as opposed to selling it... Depending on how he holds it, he also potentially gets to write off the taxes each year and/or against the capital gains when he sells...

Looks like you found just one potential answer...

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i'd hate to ask how much in taxes he's paid over the years.
Taxation and appreciation go hand in hand... luckily, the property taxation usually lags behind the appreciation...

Unless you own in wetlands, endangered species area or a nuclear site, 39 years is a a great way to hedge against it...
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i've been stuck with them for almost 10 years, and its crossed my mind to let them go. and things are finally starting to turn around here, so i can do something with the lots. but if you told me i'd be holding on to the lots 10 more years, i'd walk away from them. 30 more years? call me crazy to keep the lots.
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Uhm...

So what you're saying is you're going to hold onto it until appreciates in value to exceed your purchase and taxation as opposed to selling it... Depending on how he holds it, he also potentially gets to write off the taxes each year and/or against the capital gains when he sells...

Looks like you found just one potential answer...



Taxation and appreciation go hand in hand... luckily, the property taxation usually lags behind the appreciation...

Unless you own in wetlands, endangered species area or a nuclear site, 39 years is a a great way to hedge against it...
i'm in illinois, land of high property taxes. appreciation wont outrun property taxes ever.....
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i'm in illinois, land of high property taxes. appreciation wont outrun property taxes ever.....
LOL... but property taxes are based on value... your value will always exceed the assessment it's based on or you can contest it...
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i've been stuck with them for almost 10 years, and its crossed my mind to let them go. and things are finally starting to turn around here, so i can do something with the lots. but if you told me i'd be holding on to the lots 10 more years, i'd walk away from them. 30 more years? call me crazy to keep the lots.
Crazy or smart, point being you really can't judge especially if you are holding onto lots yourself.
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i'm in illinois, land of high property taxes. appreciation wont outrun property taxes ever.....
BS, Naperville. Parents bought their home in 1991 for $155,000. It is worth $401,000 today. That's more than double in value in 26 years or $9460 a year in appreciation. Property taxes would average around $6800 per year.

There are plenty of areas you can hold on to property and out pace property taxes with appreciation.
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farm or developed lots? farm taxes are cheap, but developed lots have higher taxes. trust me i know. been paying taxes on a lot of lots i'm stuck with since the recession...
Both. There are 5 missionary names that own most of the place. Sometimes it's developed, homes, retail or condos. The home or condo sold and the land leased for 40 to 60 years. The lease is up and it goes back to the land owner.
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BS, Naperville. Parents bought their home in 1991 for $155,000. It is worth $401,000 today. That's more than double in value in 26 years or $9460 a year in appreciation. Property taxes would average around $6800 per year.

There are plenty of areas you can hold on to property and out pace property taxes with appreciation.
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According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index, the dollar experienced an average inflation rate of 2.28% per year. Prices in 2017 are 79.7% higher than prices in 1991.

In other words, $155,000 in the year 1991 is equivalent to $278,574.38 in 2017, a difference of $123,574.38 over 26 years.

The inflation rate in 2017 was 1.99%.
Only an appreciation of $122,426

It's still a good deal of increase.
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Thanks for the comments.

County has the issue not a city.

The lot was developed as residential but has farming for zoning.

The lot is across the street from my home. I don't want to look at someones house across the street. When it came up for sale I put my money where my mouth was.

I am farming the lot, Christmas trees, poultry for eggs and meat, apples and bees for honey. I also store equipment and material there.

Taxes are $0.00 as farming.
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A "trial" (cough) by a judge is nothing but a kangaroo court.

If you really wanted to present a case your lawyer should have instructed you to plead not guilty and enter a motion for a trial by jury. Unbelievable that he took your money to do nothing..smh.

There's ways to beat the sytem but ya gotta know THEIR rules first and how to play the game. And as I said... getting a lawyer is never a good move IMO.

I represented myself twice in the courts and won both times with a trial by jury. And they weren't simple traffic tickets. I was like Matlock on steroids. I did my homework beforehand though.
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