Windsor One Rot Problem

Jason Whipple

Are you "F"ing kidding me?

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rbsremodeling

No I am not, is there some sort of indoor only tree I am unaware of? Some are just better suited for exterior use then others.

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Jason Whipple

No not really, it's got more to do with growth rings and heartwood and Sap wood; but I won't bore you with that stuff. You just keep slapping it up Skippy, OK?

Why the hell would you install a product outdoors if you knew it woudn't last long? Do you need the work that bad? Is it because you have to be the lowest price?

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rbsremodeling

You did not answer the question. What type of wood can't you use outside?

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Jason Whipple

If you only care about how it looks the day you get the last check, you can use anything you want to. lol

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OGStilts

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rbsremodeling

There isn't a species of wood that shouldn't be used outdoors, Just some that are less preferable.

I wasn't knocking you. I thought you knew something I was unaware of. I have built structures in many areas and seen wood used in one area that would not be considered in others.

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Jason Whipple

Me too, and I have less opportunity for that in my 40's

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katoman

Let's say "there isn't any species of wood that can't be used outside" An example would be in Japan they use pine for post and beam construction, but they hand plane it with the grain, thereby "closing" off the grain. These structures have stood for hundreds of years. Cool, yes?

My question is why does the current pine have growth rings 1/4" wide? Is this not genetically engineered? Or is there something affecting the growth of trees today that I am not aware of? Pine was never like this before.

A W Smith

Balsa especially for decking. well cept if its a pier without pilings. (a raft)

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Jason Whipple

So do you draw the line? Or do you let the clients budget dictate the quality of work you do?


BTW, no offense taken or given.

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Jason Whipple

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rbsremodeling

Yes I do. Not the quality but the product selection. Some people hat PT Deck money, Some have Composite deck money, some have Ipe Deck money

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rbsremodeling

Actually houses are built out of Balsa in South America. And it is used there in commercial construction

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OGStilts

Do you have some kind of information indicating that Kolbe and Kolbe in some fashion uses Windsor One for any of their millwork? If not you just incriminated both companies in one statement and one of the parties may not even be involved with your problem.

I just reviewed Kolbe's website and Windsors website and didn't see anything linking the two companies so if you could provide some kind of information backing up your question I would appreciate it. Just because one person accused this company of having a faulty product doesn't mean all rotted wood is suddenly produced by Windsor.

I also like to say I have used Kolbe Windows and Doors for many years and have never had the type of problems you are describing. Something seems amiss here. I agree with you and don't believe for a second that your problem is caused by the gap you described but is it possible that moisture is getting in somewhere else. What type of windows are they? How did you flash them to the wall? Did you use a sill pan?

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Jackby

Craig,
Thanks again for your reply, but it did not really answer the question I was interested in. Let me explain; in order for me to give you a dated sample (which I will be happy to do) I will have to go the customers home and remove a piece of trim in order to photo the back side to fulfill your request. That process may "open a can of worms" at this point in time. That is why I ask the question (hypothetically) if in fact it was a defect of Windsor One, would there be compensation made for both materials and labor costs? As you know material reimbursement alone is only a fraction of the repair costs to a problem like this and ( If ) the failure is a Windsor One related issue I certainly would like to know if your company would fully stand behind their product (or not), if that was the case.
Finally; I think it is admirable and I fully appreciate the fact that you monitor and respond to forums such as this, I simply was looking for a straight forward answer to a couple of straight forward questions.
Thanks for your interests.
Jackby

neolitic

It is mostly the result of plantation
grown trees.
In many cases trees are genetically
selected for growth characteristics
(fast growth mainly) and in some
cases the "best" trees are cloned.
Growing conditions dictate the annular
ring spacing.

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Craig Flynn

Dubz: No, we do not sell our products to Kolbe & Kolbe, nor any other window manufacturer.

Jackby: If you do not want to remove a piece of the trim at this point in time, then we could certainly start with pictures of the problem areas sent to me via e-mail at craig@windsormill.com. Additionally, our warranty is clearly written on our web-site; but I am not able to engage in hypotheticals beyond the written warranty, specifically given the lack of information at this point. If you would like to discuss in detail further, I am also available via phone at 707-665-9663 (best to e-mail me first to schedule a time).

Jason: Thank you for your offer, however we work with wood scientists from the US Forest Products Laboratory, Forintek, private organizations and a number of Universities around the world regarding the suitability of wood species for millwork.

dubz

"Do I have some kind of information" ?! Did you read the post that you quoted of mine where I asked the windsor one president if they provided kolbe with their 5/4 stock?

I didn't incriminate anyone. Take your pseudo homo innuendo comments and nonsensical accusations of nonexistant inflamatories out of here and don't ever question my construction methods again.

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Jason Whipple

WOW, all that science and no one told you that pine is near the bottom of the list for exterior trim?

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