What Are My Rights As A H.O.

Celtic · 12-12-2008, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaitINC

he doesn't have a name on his van, but i've seen the name on the ladders.

You just won....getting someone to do something about it another story...

From the Board of Examiners of Electrical Contractors [BoEoEC] website/ regulations:

Quote:

45:1-9. Indication of license or certificate number on contracts, bids and advertisements
Any contractor licensed by the State shall indicate his license or certificate number on all contracts,
subcontracts, bids and all forms of advertising as a contractor.

13:31-1.5 Identification of licensees, permittees and qualified journeyman electricians; vehicles; stationery;
advertising
(a) All commercial vehicles utilized in the practice of licensed electrical contracting shall be visibly marked on
both sides with the following information:
1. The name of the licensed electrical contractor in lettering at least three inches in height;
2. The words “Electrical Contractor license number” or “Electrical Contractor Lic. #” followed by the license
number of the qualifying licensee and the words “Electrical Contractor business permit number” or “Electrical
Contractor Bus. Permit #’’ followed by the business permit number of the business permit holder in
lettering at least three inches in height; and
3. The name of the owner or lessee of the vehicle and the municipality from which the licensee practices or
where the licensee has a principal office in lettering at least three inches in height.
i. Where available space for lettering is limited, either by design of the vehicle or by the presence of other
legally specified identification markings, making strict compliance with (a)1, 2 or 3 above impractical,
the size of the lettering shall be as close to three inches high as possible within the limited space,
provided the name is clearly visible and readily identifiable.

45:5A-21. Engaging in business without permit; disorderly persons
Any person advertising or engaging in the business of electrical contracting without having a business permit
from the board is a disorderly person.

http://www.nj.gov/lps/ca/electric/eleclaws.pdf

Even if he is not an EC, much of this holds true for Home Improvement Contractors [HIC] as well [substitute Lic/Bus Pemit # for HICA Reg. #]

Quote:

Inquiries or complaints about electrical contractors should be sent to:
Ms. Barbara A. Cook,
Executive Director,
Board of Examiners of Electrical Contractors,
P.O. Box 45006, Newark, N.J. 07101,
(973) 504-6410.

or here:
Online Services

Complaint Form

http://www.nj.gov/lps/ca/nonmedical/electrical.htm

You may alsowant to check the HIC site:
http://www.nj.gov/oag/ca/contractors/contractor.htm

...if this gets into a pissing match, make sure YOU are in compliance with the laws.

I would STILL "sell" his van on CL

Bodger · 12-12-2008, 05:46 PM

Do these employees of his look like they might not be in the country legally? If you get nowhere with him by being reasonable, maybe you could tell him you feel as though there might be an immigration issue with all these guys in and out.

rbsremodeling · 12-12-2008, 05:50 PM

Call the cops.

Tell them that a suspicious van/car is parked outside your house. Tell them you smell what appears to be marijuana and the guys are acting very rowdy and your wife is scared because they were yelling obscenities at her while she was coming into the house.

Let them know you thought you saw a gun sticking out of one of the guys pants while he was smoking the joint

Treeandland · 12-12-2008, 10:05 PM

The zoning dept. here would shut down something like that pretty quick with 1 or 2 calls....

K2 · 12-12-2008, 10:24 PM

Yeah zoning /code enforcement would shut them down here too. And use the cops too. I'd call them if they parked too far away from the curb, didn't move every day, and if the guys were mouthing off to each other i'd call it in as a domestic disturbance. Let them do the explaining. I've run off crappy neighbors before.

jbfan · 12-13-2008, 12:06 PM

I had that problem before. Cars parked there all hours of the night.
Called the cops and was told they were aware of the problem.
A few days later, my wife calls and said it seems every cop car in the county was in front of our house.
Turns out they were selling crack.
I don't think my call had anything to do with the bust, but makes me feel like it did.

**AtlanticWBConst** · 12-13-2008, 12:51 PM

As already stated, the zoning laws will have a say. In a way, he "may be conducting business" there illegally. There are zoning laws that control such things, for such reasons (overnight non-resident work vehicle parking in a residential zone).

Get his info. Even if you have to be manipulative and sneaky about it.

Example:
Approach one if his workers and say that you have may have some work for them and their boss. Then get his number, address, etc - and pump him subtly for more info...

Celtic · 12-13-2008, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlanticWBConst

As already stated, the zoning laws will have a say. In a way, he "may be conducting business" there illegally. There are zoning laws that control such things, for such reasons (overnight non-resident work vehicle parking in a residential zone).

"Conducting" business implies foot traffic, deliveries, etc.
For a contractor, this is "usually" not the case.
Many towns in NJ will allow vehicles to park overnight on the street. A commercial van or truck is usually allowed in this situation. Large trucks [usually those requiring a CDL] are generally not allowed overnight.

"Operating" a business in a resi. area is allowed.
The contractor operating out of a property that is not legally his is allowed with a simple letter from the HO allowing it.

**Cole** · 12-13-2008, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rbsremodeling

Call the cops.

Tell them that a suspicious van/car is parked outside your house. Tell them you smell what appears to be marijuana and the guys are acting very rowdy and your wife is scared because they were yelling obscenities at her while she was coming into the house.

Let them know you thought you saw a gun sticking out of one of the guys pants while he was smoking the joint

Note to self, never park in front of Rorys house!

**AtlanticWBConst** · 12-13-2008, 01:20 PM

Bottom line, I'd still advise to going down to Town hall, and asking around to find the "right tree" to attempt to bark up....

**AtlanticWBConst** · 12-13-2008, 01:27 PM

Funny Related story,

Many years ago, I lived in a rented 2-family house. The back of the house faced a common parking lot. There were two spaces to park back there, one for each tenant. Sometimes, I parked out in front of the house. There was enough room between the street (side street) and the property's 4' chain link fence (Side of the road, but off the road). One day, my wife says; "Hey, I just watched some guy from an adjacent side street put a piece of paper on your truck's windshield.
I go out and get it. It has an upper letterhead saying ***X Police Dept. It went on, in letter form, to say, that we could not park there, and if we continue to do so, we would be ticketed and towed. Signed, ***X Police dept (local PD).
I called the Local PD, they sent a car out, I showed the officer the "letter" from "them".
...Of course it was bogus. He said, you are allowed to park there. ignore this, and by the way, who was the guy?
I pointed him in the direction, and he went over there for a little chat with MR. "I think I Own The Neighborhood".

So, don't try that route....

Mitch M · 12-13-2008, 09:43 PM

We had a problem in my old neighborhood with college students parking on the streets 24 hours a day because the University was building parking lots. The city came in and put up signs no overnight parking. Which eliminated most of them. They did park a little further down and then the parking lots opened back up.

You may want to talk to the local government and see if they can post signs like that on the street. I would be careful with the vengeful stuff. They could start assuming that it was you. Of course for a 6 pack the guy "down the street" could take care of it.

dirt diggler · 12-13-2008, 10:39 PM

alright - FINE - ill move the damn van

you guys leave my ma outta this

(i know - that's such a cliche)

anyways - sounds like he's hiding the van from creditors ... perhaps??

Bodger · 12-13-2008, 10:52 PM

I wonder if any of us ever has legal troubles, the transcripts of CT will be introduced as evidence.
"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury. As you can clearly see, there was an insidious conspiracy fomented by an organized group of contractors. They had an internet forum and everything."

cleveman · 12-14-2008, 10:13 PM

I've heard it said before that if you're in a position where you need assistance from the government (or anyone or anything for that matter), you are in a world of hurt.

Snobnd · 12-14-2008, 10:38 PM

Look at your town laws.
http://ecode360.com/?custId=MO1116

[Added 7-26-1982 by Ord. No. 1125]
The uses of lands and buildings permitted by this chapter shall not be construed to include any of the following:
A. A trailer camp.

B. Trailers as dwellings.

C. The use of a transportable or mobile structure as an accessory building, except as a farm building.

D. A tourist camp.

E. A tourist cabin.

F. An automobile court.

G. An outdoor moving-picture theater.

H. A used-car lot.

I. A private sanitary landfill.

J. The private dumping and/or permanent storage of trash, garbage or other refuse.

K. Any trade, occupation, industry or business whatsoever which is noxious or offensive by reason of causing noise, odor, dust, smoke, gas or vibration.
L. A junkyard.

M. An automobile wrecking yard.

N. The outdoor parking or storage of tractor-trailers, trailer bodies or mobile homes as a main use. For the purposes of this chapter, wherever the ground area used or to be used for the parking or storage of tractor-trailers, trailer bodies or mobile homes owned or leased by the owner or tenant of a permanent building or buildings on the same lot exceeds the ground area occupied by said permanent building or buildings on the lot, such parking or storage shall be considered the main use.

Let me know how it works out. Good luck

thegreek · 12-15-2008, 03:23 AM

I would say your rights are the same as your neighbors and if there litering daily and blocking access to call the local authoritys

chris klee · 12-16-2008, 11:03 PM

i would be willing to bet he got in trouble for keeping the van at his own residence and had to find a new parking location. call the police and have them run the plates.

i guess i am kind of a dick about things. when the wife and i lived in our first apt there was one handicap spot. she has CP and needs the spot as she cant walk well. one night i get home with her and a car is in the spot, no permit. i call the office the next morning and they say they will let who ever know not to do it again. a couple weeks later the same car is parked there again. its like midnight or so, no one is at the office. i took a marker and wrote them a note on thier dirvers window asking them not to do it again or i would call the cops. i am hoping they went to work with the marker on thier window and had to explain to co-workers (it was a nicer car) why they were parked in a handicap spot. i was going to drag it out of the spot with my truck and a strap but i was talked out of it.

Jason Whipple · 12-16-2008, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaitINC

Here is my dilema. I'll make it short, to ensure i waste a minimal amount of your time.

There is a guy that owns an electric company, and his mom lives across the street from me. about a year and half ago, he started keeping his work van parked infront of her house and mine. Keep in mind that he doesn't live there and he doesn't drive it. It started off with one guy driving his car there in the morning, picking up the van and leaving his car, then at the end of the day drop off the van and get his car. That didn't bother me until he started parking directly across from my driveway. My driveway runs behind my house. I live on a some what narrow street, and it makes it near impossible to get my work truck in and out. When this happened I asked his employees nicely if they could park anywhere but infront of my driveway. His employees made some smart azz comments and left it there. I gave them my business card and asked them to have their boss call me. he called, and said he would take care of it, and this was only a temporary thing and it would be stored somewhere else in a couple monthes. forward ahead to present, and he now has 3-4 employees all driving their own cars. they park infront of my mail box, throw trash in the street, yell and curse at each other and peel out when they leave. What are my legal rights as a homeowner? I have spoken with the owner on numerous occations and still nothing has changed. I want to know my legal rights before I call him again. I honestly hate looking out my window at his beat up van. If he lived there I wouldn't mind... What do you think would be my best approach to get his van out of there?

All you need to do is move out of NJ

dogris · 12-17-2008, 08:08 AM

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That didn't bother me until he started parking directly across from my driveway.

In my area it is illegal to park like that. Not generally enforced unless someone complains or there is a traffic accident with the illegally parked vehicle involved or as a contributing factor.

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Bodger View Profile Bodger Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (2,432) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: GC Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,432	Re: What Are My Rights As A H.O. Do these employees of his look like they might not be in the country legally? If you get nowhere with him by being reasonable, maybe you could tell him you feel as though there might be an immigration issue with all these guys in and out.

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AtlanticWBConst View Profile AtlanticWBConst Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (2,702) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: Lic. GC/Remodr - Commercial/Residential/Industrial Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England Posts: 2,702	Re: What Are My Rights As A H.O. As already stated, the zoning laws will have a say. In a way, he "may be conducting business" there illegally. There are zoning laws that control such things, for such reasons (overnight non-resident work vehicle parking in a residential zone). Get his info. Even if you have to be manipulative and sneaky about it. Example: Approach one if his workers and say that you have may have some work for them and their boss. Then get his number, address, etc - and pump him subtly for more info... __________________ - Build Well -

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AtlanticWBConst View Profile AtlanticWBConst Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (2,702) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: Lic. GC/Remodr - Commercial/Residential/Industrial Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England Posts: 2,702	Re: What Are My Rights As A H.O. Bottom line, I'd still advise to going down to Town hall, and asking around to find the "right tree" to attempt to bark up.... __________________ - Build Well -

12-13-2008, 01:27 PM	#31
AtlanticWBConst View Profile AtlanticWBConst Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (2,702) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: Lic. GC/Remodr - Commercial/Residential/Industrial Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New England Posts: 2,702	Re: What Are My Rights As A H.O. Funny Related story, Many years ago, I lived in a rented 2-family house. The back of the house faced a common parking lot. There were two spaces to park back there, one for each tenant. Sometimes, I parked out in front of the house. There was enough room between the street (side street) and the property's 4' chain link fence (Side of the road, but off the road). One day, my wife says; "Hey, I just watched some guy from an adjacent side street put a piece of paper on your truck's windshield. I go out and get it. It has an upper letterhead saying *X Police Dept. It went on, in letter form, to say, that we could not park there, and if we continue to do so, we would be ticketed and towed. Signed, X Police dept (local PD). I called the Local PD, they sent a car out, I showed the officer the "letter" from "them". ...Of course it was bogus. He said, you are allowed to park there. ignore this, and by the way, who was the guy? I pointed him in the direction, and he went over there for a little chat with MR. "I think I Own The Neighborhood".* So, don't try that route.... __________________ - Build Well -

12-13-2008, 09:43 PM	#32
Mitch M View Profile Mitch M Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (473) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: General Contractor Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NC Posts: 473	Re: What Are My Rights As A H.O. We had a problem in my old neighborhood with college students parking on the streets 24 hours a day because the University was building parking lots. The city came in and put up signs no overnight parking. Which eliminated most of them. They did park a little further down and then the parking lots opened back up. You may want to talk to the local government and see if they can post signs like that on the street. I would be careful with the vengeful stuff. They could start assuming that it was you. Of course for a 6 pack the guy "down the street" could take care of it.

12-13-2008, 10:39 PM	#33
dirt diggler View Profile dirt diggler Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (3,309) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: contractor Join Date: May 2006 Location: east Posts: 3,309	Re: What Are My Rights As A H.O. alright - FINE - ill move the damn van you guys leave my ma outta this (i know - that's such a cliche) anyways - sounds like he's hiding the van from creditors ... perhaps?? __________________ Thanks in advance!!!

12-13-2008, 10:52 PM	#34
Bodger View Profile Bodger Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (2,432) Photos (0) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: GC Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,432	Re: What Are My Rights As A H.O. I wonder if any of us ever has legal troubles, the transcripts of CT will be introduced as evidence. "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury. As you can clearly see, there was an insidious conspiracy fomented by an organized group of contractors. They had an internet forum and everything."

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12-14-2008, 10:38 PM	#36
Snobnd View Profile Snobnd Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (1,640) Photos (4) Reviews (0) Projects (1) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: Remodeling 30+ yrs Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,640	Re: What Are My Rights As A H.O. Look at your town laws. http://ecode360.com/?custId=MO1116 [Added 7-26-1982 by Ord. No. 1125] The uses of lands and buildings permitted by this chapter shall not be construed to include any of the following: A. A trailer camp. B. Trailers as dwellings. C. The use of a transportable or mobile structure as an accessory building, except as a farm building. D. A tourist camp. E. A tourist cabin. F. An automobile court. G. An outdoor moving-picture theater. H. A used-car lot. I. A private sanitary landfill. J. The private dumping and/or permanent storage of trash, garbage or other refuse. K. Any trade, occupation, industry or business whatsoever which is noxious or offensive by reason of causing noise, odor, dust, smoke, gas or vibration. L. A junkyard. M. An automobile wrecking yard. N. The outdoor parking or storage of tractor-trailers, trailer bodies or mobile homes as a main use. For the purposes of this chapter, wherever the ground area used or to be used for the parking or storage of tractor-trailers, trailer bodies or mobile homes owned or leased by the owner or tenant of a permanent building or buildings on the same lot exceeds the ground area occupied by said permanent building or buildings on the lot, such parking or storage shall be considered the main use. Let me know how it works out. Good luck

12-15-2008, 03:23 AM	#37
thegreek View Profile thegreek Pro Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (102) Photos (1) Reviews (0) Projects (0) Toolbox (0) View All Activity Pro Trade: General B Contractor C-5 Framing Contractor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ca Posts: 102	Re: What Are My Rights As A H.O. I would say your rights are the same as your neighbors and if there litering daily and blocking access to call the local authoritys

12-16-2008, 11:03 PM	#38
chris klee View Profile chris klee Sweeper of fine saw dust Send Message Follow Blogs (0) Threads (1,033) Photos (0) Reviews (4) Projects (0) Toolbox (5) View All Activity Sweeper of fine saw dust Trade: Project Manager by day, Cabinet maker for fun Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Delaware Posts: 1,033	Re: What Are My Rights As A H.O. i would be willing to bet he got in trouble for keeping the van at his own residence and had to find a new parking location. call the police and have them run the plates. i guess i am kind of a dick about things. when the wife and i lived in our first apt there was one handicap spot. she has CP and needs the spot as she cant walk well. one night i get home with her and a car is in the spot, no permit. i call the office the next morning and they say they will let who ever know not to do it again. a couple weeks later the same car is parked there again. its like midnight or so, no one is at the office. i took a marker and wrote them a note on thier dirvers window asking them not to do it again or i would call the cops. i am hoping they went to work with the marker on thier window and had to explain to co-workers (it was a nicer car) why they were parked in a handicap spot. i was going to drag it out of the spot with my truck and a strap but i was talked out of it.

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