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Old 12-20-2016, 06:20 PM   #21
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Being to comfortable and not taking necessary precautions. I learned this one the hard way this past April when I ran up a ladder that wasn't set good. Resulted in a broken heal bone.
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Old 12-20-2016, 06:32 PM   #22
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Not identifying and planning for the hazards of a situation. Almost every time.


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I often wonder... Is every accident avoidable?
The great majority, but not every one. For instance, a safety device fails, or something breaks due to metal fatigue.

You could argue that frequent inspections and scheduled replacement would eliminate 99% of those sort of incidents, but a hundred percent inspection of every tool or machine we use, each time we use it, just isn't practical. Scheduled replacement doesn't work if one of a couple of dozen variables contributes to early failure.

What I'm impressed with is that with thousands and thousands of us doing this kind of work, doing things we know we shouldn't, having brain farts, hurrying etc, there are so few meaningful accidents in our field.
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Inexperience, inattentiveness, idiocy.
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Not paying attention and overlooking detail and carelessness. Several years ago,JLC ran an article about job site accidents. The thrust of the article warned supervisors to place workers going through emotional situations at home ( sick child,divorce,death in family etc) to be placed on site where they will not endanger themselves or others. Reason being,as I mentioned,overlooking details is a result many times of mental distractions.
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A failure to calculate the future results of your present actions.

The elements.

Other people.

Complacency.
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Without additional information about this particular incident, it is difficult to say what the primary cause might be....But I can tell you from experience that any part, of any machine, can fail, at anytime, without notice.

I've had axles snap off, boom sticks on backhoes just drop off, ball joints on trucks break....all sorts of crazy things can happen. It is not always an error of those involved.

Sad to hear about these two fellows.
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#1 IMO is complacency. That's a difficult thing to "fix" though. We all get in a routine.

#2 is assumptions that someone else did their job perfectly or nobody tampered or changed anything. I can't even count the times that I came back to do electrical trim and some moron has turned on all the breakers, taken the lockouts off, or ignored the big sign in the panel to no touch anything. I idiot proof all of them so nobody else gets hurt though. If I assumed that no HO turned them all back on, I would surely be dead by now.
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What do YOU feel is the primary cause of accidents on the job?

Being there.
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What do YOU feel is the primary cause of accidents on the job?

Being there.
I also feel that the primary cause of accidents on the job is 480sparky being there.



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On a more serious note, entropy, the tendency of a complex, ordered system to go towards disorder.
Humans are the most complex part of the system so in my opinion, we are the most likely cause of the disorder in a system.

Heady stuff aye?


Yeah, you're right...more like stupid stuff.

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On a more serious note, entropy, the tendency of a complex, ordered system to go towards disorder.
Humans are the most complex part of the system so in my opinion, we are the most likely cause of the disorder in a system.

Heady stuff aye?


Yeah, you're right...more like stupid stuff.

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Human nature and habit... it's why we need processes to be in place to to remind us against things we know (or our experience or someone elses have shown us) we shouldn't do until it becomes an adjusted habit to protect against it...

But even with the best intentions or processes in place, accidents can happen anyway...

The difference might lie in what makes it negligence over accident...
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Using shortcuts one never used before and hastiness.
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I often wonder... Is every accident avoidable?


Most major companies have this mindset....anytime there is an injury they examine the "chain of events" leading up to the injury and issue a new set of rules to prevent it from happening again

at the railroad they have every conceivable rule you could think about...they actually have a rule about the proper procedure to close the locomotive door.. The rule states you have to turn and face the door and use both hands to close it. I actually know somebody that was written up for improperly closing the locomotive door




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Definitely being distracted is a major cause. Especially this time of year when everyone has lot's of other things on their mind. We just need to all slow down and take our time to ensure everyone makes it home safe at the end of the day.
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What do YOU feel is the primary cause of accidents on the job?
1) working in dark
2) tiredness, late in work day
3) and actually first and far before everything. Construction is low profit margin job and most of us do not have money to do best safety technic then we improvise. Look at power line companies that are washed in cash world wide. Worldwide theirs employee have top notch safety equipment at job site.
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1) working in dark
2) tiredness, late in work day
3) and actually first and far before everything. Construction is low profit margin job and most of us do not have money to do best safety technic then we improvise. Look at power line companies that are washed in cash world wide. Worldwide theirs employee have top notch safety equipment at job site.
Tipi,

This where I call you out. The very first and best reason to do "construction" as you put it - is that when done by someone who knows how - it is quite simply a lucrative business.

If you - or anyone else on or reading this board think that - then you are stuck in "bottom feeder" mode. You go fishing for carp, and that is by God what you are going to catch.

Regardless, there is never EVER an excuse for doing a job that needlessly endangers life or limb of ANYONE.

It's just a load of crap, and casts a shadow over others (like myself) who have always put safety above profit.

You are a good guy, but its times and posts like this that cause me to realize you are stuck in "loser mentality" and will likely remain less that satisfied with life and having accomplished so much less than what you are capable of.
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Hey Tipi,


If you don't aim for $100/hr, you'll probably never get it.

If you don't aim for $1000/day, you'll never get it.

Of course, these numbers are relative to me and my one man show. Some bigger fish here may laugh at my meager goals but having lofty (to me) goals is good.

I would rather sit at home than do Craigslist work for $35/hr. It's safer, easier on the tools and body. And, I get to hang out with my family.

Would you rather work 40 hrs/week for $35, or 20 hours week at $70?

I can tell you that a lot of guys with a lot more experience and skill work for a lot less than I do.


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Hey Tipi,


If you don't aim for $100/hr, you'll probably never get it.

If you don't aim for $1000/day, you'll never get it.

Of course, these numbers are relative to me and my one man show. Some bigger fish here may laugh at my meager goals but having lofty (to me) goals is good.





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