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Old 11-13-2009, 11:37 PM   #41
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Want's their share? It's theirs to begin with! You could go to jail for collecting a tax and not passing it on to the state.
local furniture guy was charging sales tax and then keeping it for himself. got away with it for a few years and it totaled somewhere in the 200k mark.

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Old 11-14-2009, 12:16 AM   #42
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One could argue that goods changed hands and so therefore the tax is collected on the junk that was sold, and the service was incidental to the sale.
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Old 11-14-2009, 12:52 AM   #43
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The guy was collecting sales tax when it wasn't due, the junkman was committing a crime, yet the victim who refuesd to pay it is a dick???
Is it not a taxable service? IF it was then I would qualify it as a "dick" move. If it was not then your are correct the junkman would be committing a crime.

Here's what I found from the florida department of revenue's website:

Doesn't go into enough detail to settle the argument though someone in florida give en a ring.

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Here are some examples of business activities, product uses, and consumptions requiring the collection of sales tax or the payment of use tax:
  • Sales of taxable items at retail.
  • Repairs or alterations of tangible personal property.
  • Rentals, leases, or licenses to use real property (for example, commercial office space, mini-warehouses, or short-term living accommodations).
  • Rental or lease of personal property (for example, vehicles, machinery, equipment, or other goods).
  • Charges for admission to any place of amusement, sport, or recreation.
  • Operating private membership clubs that provide recreational or physical fitness facilities.
  • Manufacturing or producing goods for sale at retail.
  • Importing goods from any state or foreign country, for sale at retail or for use in the business.
  • Selling service warranty contracts.
  • Ordering and using, on a regular basis, mail-order products on which no sales tax was charged.
  • Operating vending or amusement machines.
  • Providing taxable services (for example, investigative and crime protection services, interior nonresidential cleaning services, and nonresidential pest control services).
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Old 11-14-2009, 01:17 AM   #44
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In California almost all goods are taxable (when the reseller has not paid tax on them).

In California in fact some lABOR is also taxable (like the labor/chef who prepares your food at McDonalds) California Labor Sales Tax

Consult your accountant but here is my understanding: So if you build a cabinet in your shop and take it to the job site to install it, the labor for building it is taxable. If you take the cabinet parts to the site and build it on site and install it, the build-labor this time is NOT taxable. The installation labor is not taxable either way.
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Old 11-14-2009, 12:01 PM   #45
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After reading all these post, anyone can see why bureaucracy sucks! No one really knows what the tax law is.

The law has so many layers that it is impossible to really understand. Reminds of the DOT laws, can be interpreted any way you want them to be.

I just charge the tax and pay it, I know for a fact the state won't send it back to me.

Not to be political here but doesn't anyone see the problem with more bigger gov? You think the tax laws are tough now!

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Old 11-15-2009, 10:38 AM   #46
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I give the price that I expect to be paid when the job is complete.
The taxes are between myself and my accountant.
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Old 11-15-2009, 10:47 AM   #47
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I try not to add any extra charge ever if possible. Like if I have to buy extra materials say up to $15.00 to do the job right on a smaller job, and even more if it is a larger job. I always say people that pull stupid little stunts like, adding tax or adding bogus charges will always pay for it later. Its called karma and I believe in it alot. The reason we have so many scared customers are because of people that try to suck blood from any and every customer, I am just the opposite. So I do not agree with any of that mess. Other industries pull tricks like adding enviromental charges and many other stunts, I've owned other businesses and all of it the cost of doing business. You cant make one customer pay for eveything you have to pay for to run your business, you might get away with for a while but in the long run it will always bite you--guaranteed!!!!

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Old 11-15-2009, 10:55 AM   #48
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all you guys whining about sales tax should move to a state w/o it!

various posters have made a point about tax but seems to be referring to something that is not sales tax. after a quick googlel search, the Missouri states "Labor or service charges when separately billed (e.g., stenographic services, Medicare reimbursement, veterinary clinic, reactor services)" will not be charged sales tax. So...would it then be logical if you billed $200 for the total dump job you pay tax on the entire thing, or bill as $180 labor and $20 dump fee, only the $20 would be taxable?

Now on to the state of Washington that says:



Q: Is labor subject to retail sales tax?


A: Yes. Labor is subject to retail sales tax when performing these activities:
  • Repairing
  • Remodeling
  • Building for the end consumer
You also need to remember that retail sales tax should be collected on the entire contract including
  • Labor
  • Materials
  • Fees
  • Permits
  • Your markup
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What do you mean exactly?

My invoices and quotes look like this

Subtotal ***
PST ***
Labour ***
GST ***
Total ***

And it goes to the government....

The price the client sees is the price with the tax all outlined on a piece of paper...and the invoice is exactly like the quote but at the top of the page is says "Invoice" instead of "Proposal".

I don't really see what I'm doing wrong...although my 4 years of accounting at university were wasted but thats another story.
No, you cannot show PST on the invoice. It must be absorbed in your price as a costs of goods.

See below:

Janice asked:

I am going into the carpentry business. Do I pay PST on the materials I purchase for these jobs? Do I charge the customer PST?

Mr. Manipula answered:

Customers buying real property, land, buildings or constructed fixtures, are exempt from PST. However, as a contractor, you must pay PST on the lumber, hardware, and other materials you will need to finish a contract. PST is collected once, and in this case, it is the contractor who pays the PST, not the customer

In order for your business to recover the money spent on PST for materials, the total price of the job has to include the total amount of PST you have paid built-in to it. PST cannot be listed on the invoice separate item. Doing so would be collecting PST and in this case against the Retail Sales Tax Act.

For example--and ignoring GST for simplicity--if you bought $100 in lumber for a job, you pay an additional percentage of PST (8% in Ontario) for a total of $108. When you are writing up the estimate or invoice for the job, the cost of lumber must be listed as $108 dollars, not $100 plus $8 in PST.
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One could argue that goods changed hands and so therefore the tax is collected on the junk that was sold, and the service was incidental to the sale.
The guy paid a service to havethe junk hauled away, if the guy did in fact sell the junk and materails changed hands and the guy had a sales and use tax permit, he would be the one to collect sales tax, not the junk hauler.

The junk hauler needs a sales and use tax permit in order to collect sales tax on taxable items or services, and he is to turn it in to the state.

Unfortunately many people collect salses tax on items and services and keep the money, yet when they get caught bad things can happen.
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Old 11-16-2009, 06:00 PM   #51
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No, you cannot show PST on the invoice. It must be absorbed in your price as a costs of goods.
Chris,

We are in slightly different businesses, much of what I do is retail related. I have a tax #.

See ORSA:

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The Ontario Retail Sales Tax ORST, also referred to as Provincial SalesTax (PST) is a consumer tax imposed on the purchaser (consumer) of goods and certain services, which are consumed within the province of Ontario.
Generally, the provincial sales tax is levied at the retail sale level:
  • applies only to purchases of tangible personal property (goods) and certain services for consumption or use within the province; and
  • apply in respect of goods purchased outside the province for use (consumption) within the province
  • intangible personal property, such as stocks or bonds as well as real property and fixtures is not subject to tax
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