Social Security Does Not Require A SS Card For Proof

Ed the Roofer

Since the topic of illegal aliens comes up so frequently, I pulled out a report I recieved from the SSA.gov office.

Title: Tips On Annual Wage Report Filing

Why accurate names and SSN's are Important.....

Filing tips to ensure accuracy:

bullet paragraph # 4 states: (Quoted from the form)

"Ask each new employee to check his or her Social Security card and inform you of the name and SSN exactly shown on the card. (While the employee must furnish the SSN to you, the employee is not required to show the Social Security card. But, seeing the card will help ensure that all records are correct.)


Ed

JamesNLA

WTF is the point of being able to furnish a SS card, but not have to show the card? Isn't that an oximoron? How can one have something furnished if they don't show it?

Can you imagine the lawsuite an illegal alien would have if he didn't get hired because he wouldn't show the actual SS card? And according to that, he would win......sigh...dumb ass government.

Ed the Roofer

I knew I had this form laying around for this precise reason. How can I be expected to fulfill my verification process, if the same government will not legally require me to insist on recieving authetification.

But alas, who else beside you and I know about this loophole in the verification process.

Ed

TempestV

this way, when the INS or homeland security or whoever come and bust all of the illegals, the guy that hired them isn't to blame. he asked for a SS#, they gave him a number, and everything was good. The illegal guy gets deported, but nothing happens to the boss, so he can hire the guy right back two weeks later, as soon as the guy crosses back over the border.

tnt specialty

Boom-badda-bing! Herein lies the REAL problem!

What I've been saying all along.....i.e., the gov't. gladly takes in all the withholdings that are paid in by the employer as well as the illegal with nary a concern as to the authenticity of the SS account or existence.

Then they, (Homeland Security), go around and make these "busts", after allowing these illegals to work. It's all smoke & mirrors....

If they REALLY wanted to stop the hiring of illegals, they would reject the spurious SS #'s, and notify the employers that the SS #'s are erroneous. Homeland Security could go to ANY residential construction site and collect all the illegals. It's all a big fat joke! (That's not too funny, BTW).

BTW, the illegals all have cards, that's not a problem at all. Whether they show it or not has no real effect on the authenticity of the #.

Any employer with a brain, knows that if the applicant is Mexican, and doesn't speak English well...he/she's illegal. Actually, alot of them speak English very well. Around here, one would be hard-pressed to find a "legal" Mexican worker, and the construction idustry is full of them...some trades have become 90% - 98% Mexican...

What's that tell ya?

Most employers I've spoken with, just accept the fact that the construction industry is now made up of an illegal workforce, and we all need to get used to it. In other words, to make it in the residential construction world, as an employer, you have to be unscrupulous/unethical to prosper.

We don't hire illegals, and our anuall sales has suffered dramatically. Most are not willing to sacrafice that.

RYANINMICHIGAN

in 33 years I have never seen my SS card.

Ed the Roofer

I was not attempting to exasperate the feelings towards the influx of illegal or even legalized hispanics in the current workforce. Also, I did not specifically mention hispanics as there are many other cultures swarming in with the future potential for the same abuses of the systems in place currently.

The main point to be conveyed, I hope, is that the government thumps their chest with bravado about what they can or will do, yet do not provide for a requirement to visually see the SS card.

On that same for, they list ed the ssn.gov or ssa.gov ?, website, and even though I was limited on time, their seems to be an internet method of verifying the SS numbers given by an applicant.

Maybe someone who is more diligent with human resource issues could evaluate those options sometime today.

Ed

dougchips

About a month ago I opened a piece of mail with my address on it from uncle sam. Someone decided to use my address so I decided that they wanted me to open their mail---send me to jail. I ran a on-line check on the guy and came up with about a dozen different address'. Since his SSN was on the document I ran that and came up with 5-6 more---this guy was on the move. I checked for any open warrants (state level) and he came back clean.

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Ed the Roofer

Charles,

I think you meant to say the letter was already opened and the contents fell out, right?

Report the slug. Probably some guy avoiding child support.

Ed

dougchips

Here's the odd thing, about a month ago I was in Moon Township PA on a business trip, two of his address' were in Moon Township.....I wonder if he worked at the hotel? The timing was just so odd.

Not sure about the child support but his refund went to pay off some of his taxes from 2005+2006 and he still owes. Mother Theresa (my wife) took the letter to the post office after yelling at me.

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HOW TO AVOID ERRORS WITH NEW HIRES

SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS (SSNs)
The IRS requires taxpayers to provide the SSNs for the dependent children listed on their tax returns, it should be infrequent that you will have a new employee who does not have an SSN. However, if that happens, or, if you have an employee whose name has changed, via marriage, court order, etc., you should advise the employee to contact any SSA office. For either an SSN or a card showing the new name, the employee will need to complete an application and provide the necessary evidence. If the employee has changed his or her name, the card showing the new name will usually be received in about 2 weeks. If the employee has never had a number and is now applying for one, there may be a delay in processing the application. SSA verifies the birth records of people born in the United States applying for SSNs and verifies the immigration documents of all non-citizen applicants for SSNs and SSN cards. This takes from two to eight weeks, depending on the individual situation. If the new employee has applied for an SSN but not received the card before you must file your W-2 reports:

• Enter all zeros in the SSN block if filing electronically or on magnetic media and
• Enter “Applied for” in box (d) on paper forms W-2

When the SSN is received, file Form W-2c with SSA showing the SSN assigned.

Though not required as a condition of employment, each new employee hired should show his or her Social Security card to you, if it is available so that:

• You can check the SSN for accuracy. Valid SSNs must have nine digits in this format: ***-XX-***X. A listing of all SSN ranges issued to date is available on SSA’s web page at www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/ssnu.htm

• You can accurately transcribe the name and SSN to the employee’s payroll records.

If you report an employee’s name and/or SSN that do not match SSA’s records:

The employee’s wages may not be credited to his or her Social Security record, which could result in potential loss of benefits


VERIFYING SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS (SSNS)—SOCIAL SECURITY EMPLOYEE VERIFICATION SERVICE (EVS)

In many cases, name and SSN mismatches prevent wages from being posted to individual earnings records. This can mean additional processing costs for you. Using Social Security’s verification service will help you correct name and SSN errors before submitting your reports to SSA. Using this service is easy.



To verify 1 to 5 names/SSNs: Call our toll-free number for employers, 1-800-772-6270, Monday to Friday 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. Eastern Time or SSA’s general toll-free number, 1-800-772-1213, Monday-Friday 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. local time. Verification will be given over the telephone.

To verify up to 50 names/SSNs: Up to 50 names/SSNs can be submitted on paper lists and submitted to your local Social Security office. Some offices accept faxed listings. To find the office nearest you, check your local phone book or visit SSA’s Internet Home Page at www.socialsecurity.gov. You may call or visit the office.

To verify over 50 names/SSNs: A simple registration process is required for a verification request of more than 50 names/SSNs (regardless of how many items you want verified). Just complete a registration form. To obtain more information or to register, call the EVS hotline at 410-965-7140. At the prompt, leave your name and telephone number and a verification specialist will return your call. Publication 20-004, Employee Verification Services, which provides detailed information and instructions, is available online at www.socialsecurity.gov/employer/ssnu.htm.