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Old 11-10-2009, 12:20 AM   #21
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I just did a massive remodel on a church ceiling because the sips joints didnt get taped and somehow this allowed moisture to get between them. I dunno how. But we taped the seems, reroof it, and redid the sheetrock.

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Old 11-10-2009, 02:30 AM   #22
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How much time can you possibly save on a frame ?
We built a 20x20 addition on Friday floor 2x10 wall 2x6 rafters 2x10 collar ties 2x6 3/4 ply on the floor 1/2 ply on the roof OSB for the walls . Monday we have collar ties to finish , gable end studs, facials . windows ? 3 men 2 days tops . Insulation costs about 900 buck here installed . Id rather give up the block work then the framing I hit two leach tanks and a old septic on 2 20' walls . We removed 3 more tanks and replace the septic on the other side of the house . roofing and siding and 2 covered decks and im out a there . My HO is trying to finish it up. He keeps adding thing for us to do . John
How about a 9600sq foot restaurant with a 60' clear span, framed and insulated in 2 weeks?


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Here's a few pics of a wall splice we did today.
Maybe it's just me, but that seems like a pretty hokey splice. I prefer the system that Premier panel systems uses.
And the panels aren't pre-cut? I'd hate that- the jobs I've done, the panels are all cut to the right size, windows cut out, foam burned out, ect. Just grab the right panel, grind the edges, glue, nail in splines, and hook on the crane. The only time you need to get the burner out is on the last panel in the wall.
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Maybe it's just me, but that seems like a pretty hokey splice. I prefer the system that Premier panel systems uses.
And the panels aren't pre-cut? I'd hate that- the jobs I've done, the panels are all cut to the right size, windows cut out, foam burned out, ect. Just grab the right panel, grind the edges, glue, nail in splines, and hook on the crane. The only time you need to get the burner out is on the last panel in the wall.
The splice picture was before we drove the walls tight....it still seems a little hokey, I agree....


This is our company's 1st experience with SIPs....our PM asked today how we felt...'too many steps'.... The response was that maybe there is a company that does what YOU mention....

Either the SIPcompany we went with is the only manufacturer within 150miles or my company went with the cheapest!...Hell, if everything was cut and ready to go, we would have had our walls up in a day, probably less!

At any rate, I'm sold....They are light and easy to manipulate, trim, etc....we layed out our plates square and straight, so if there was a problem, it wasn't hard to fix.

BUT....this house is 30'x30' with 4 outside corners and 2 inside @90*....really simple!
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How about a 9600sq foot restaurant with a 60' clear span, framed and insulated in 2 weeks?


Looks real cool , nice job . I can see the saving in a building like you have on the pics Ive done a lot of modular homes in the 80s but never tried any thing but stick built for additions and add a levels . John
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The splice picture was before we drove the walls tight....it still seems a little hokey, I agree....


This is our company's 1st experience with SIPs....our PM asked today how we felt...'too many steps'.... The response was that maybe there is a company that does what YOU mention....

Either the SIPcompany we went with is the only manufacturer within 150miles or my company went with the cheapest!...Hell, if everything was cut and ready to go, we would have had our walls up in a day, probably less!

At any rate, I'm sold....They are light and easy to manipulate, trim, etc....we layed out our plates square and straight, so if there was a problem, it wasn't hard to fix.

BUT....this house is 30'x30' with 4 outside corners and 2 inside @90*....really simple!
yea, cutting panels on site pretty much eliminates the speed advantage on panels, particularly if it's on a house with lots of little panels. I worked on a panel gym this summer where the walls were all 8x24 panels. Considering that that is the biggest that they can ship, it wouldn't have affected as much to get un cut panels as on the house we did with lots of windows and gable walls.
However, I think the best thing about precut panels is that you use the burner less! Do you have some sort of special burner to make the groves for the OSB spline?
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yea, cutting panels on site pretty much eliminates the speed advantage on panels, particularly if it's on a house with lots of little panels. I worked on a panel gym this summer where the walls were all 8x24 panels. Considering that that is the biggest that they can ship, it wouldn't have affected as much to get un cut panels as on the house we did with lots of windows and gable walls.
However, I think the best thing about precut panels is that you use the burner less! Do you have some sort of special burner to make the groves for the OSB spline?

We only had 1 OSB spline...because of the point loads we had add 2x.....we also had 3 windows that needed 'fabricated' headers, so they sent us one panel to rip into 3 pieces to fill in the bottom portion of the RO....as well as all 4 corners were cut out of one panel....if that makes sense.........basically, we had a bunch of panels and we cut everything to fit.
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I think SIPs are great if your ready...have the tools, etc...once we found a rythm we rocked! Even with cutting panels...2 guys prepped and installed while the third cut....

Now That I understand, getting the shell up is faster that a panelized system.....and we're insulated better, sooner,.....they're lighter....I'm sold....
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