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Old 12-03-2017, 11:01 AM   #1
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Going thru the Florida Residential Building Code I find that the book is very hard to navigate thru. The pages handle very hard thru that binder with those huge rings.
Its very hard to make sense how the appendix works ( P is not plumbing and E is not electric.

Besides that I'm very mad that a builder has to know electrical , plumbing and HVAC questions and still has to hire a specific subcontractor of that respective trade.
I have the feeling that these tests are a money making machine for those that administer the test and those in the business of training the people taking the test.
I don't think this serves the best interest of the state.
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Old 12-03-2017, 11:03 AM   #2
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Griping about it on an innernets forum isn't going to change it.

If you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself. Take your cause to the powers that be.

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It's totally a ridiculous test but what can you do its what has to be done. Suck it up and do it.
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To the OP,

I understand your post. And, I can agree with you to a certain point. But, I'm here in CA and things are pretty much the same, maybe even worse.

I've also looked at posts like yours, and, the ones that potential contractors write to the CSLB License Guru for the CA Contractors License tests here.

My opinion is: get used to disappointment. The rules are written by large bureaucracies (i.e. government) in government and legal speak. This covers their butt. But it is how it is. If you really want to be a legal contractor, get used to the way it is. Everyone else somehow, someway managed to get through it. It's like complaining about how hard and uncomfortable Basic Training is. Too bad. You're getting your hair mussed. Maybe this isn't for you.

Most potential contractors fail the legal and business end of tests. Why is this ? It's because they are not, nor ever have been, business people. The ability to read, understand, comprehend and assimilate rules and regulations written by others seems to be beyond a lot of trades people. That's why they tend to be lousy business owners. Estimating, quoting, contracting and contracts, agreements and so forth tend to be poorly written or non-existent.
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To the OP,

I understand your post. And, I can agree with you to a certain point. But, I'm here in CA and things are pretty much the same, maybe even worse.

I've also looked at posts like yours, and, the ones that potential contractors write to the CSLB License Guru for the CA Contractors License tests here.

My opinion is: get used to disappointment. The rules are written by large bureaucracies (i.e. government) in government and legal speak. This covers their butt. But it is how it is. If you really want to be a legal contractor, get used to the way it is. Everyone else somehow, someway managed to get through it. It's like complaining about how hard and uncomfortable Basic Training is. Too bad. You're getting your hair mussed. Maybe this isn't for you.

Most potential contractors fail the legal and business end of tests. Why is this ? It's because they are not, nor ever have been, business people. The ability to read, understand, comprehend and assimilate rules and regulations written by others seems to be beyond a lot of trades people. That's why they tend to be lousy business owners. Estimating, quoting, contracting and contracts, agreements and so forth tend to be poorly written or non-existent.
That?s tough to read but it?s true. I?m 7 years self employed and have to constantly remind myself how little I really know.

(I?m a small fish in a big pond) say it, repeate it and never forget.
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To the OP,

I understand your post. And, I can agree with you to a certain point. But, I'm here in CA and things are pretty much the same, maybe even worse.

I've also looked at posts like yours, and, the ones that potential contractors write to the CSLB License Guru for the CA Contractors License tests here.

My opinion is: get used to disappointment. The rules are written by large bureaucracies (i.e. government) in government and legal speak. This covers their butt. But it is how it is. If you really want to be a legal contractor, get used to the way it is. Everyone else somehow, someway managed to get through it. It's like complaining about how hard and uncomfortable Basic Training is. Too bad. You're getting your hair mussed. Maybe this isn't for you.

Most potential contractors fail the legal and business end of tests. Why is this ? It's because they are not, nor ever have been, business people. The ability to read, understand, comprehend and assimilate rules and regulations written by others seems to be beyond a lot of trades people. That's why they tend to be lousy business owners. Estimating, quoting, contracting and contracts, agreements and so forth tend to be poorly written or non-existent.
Well let me tell you this: Im 100% sure that if you'd take the FL Electrical exam you will fail.

Im a successful NJ electrical contractor in business for over 30 years.
I have accumulated quite a bit of real estate in my life and I retired at 55 ( I still get a job here and there to help friends). I have built two homes of which one with my own hands

I tell you all this not to brag but to prove a point that I'm not a lousy business man.
Many states do not require A GC exam to get a license. Do you think the buildings are falling down in their locations? What is the point to know plumbing and electric ? May as well introduce biology just in case someone gets a rash, or sign language in case you have a potential deaf customer.

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Come to CT and all you have to do is fork over cash to the state and viola! You're a contractor.
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or come to upstate NY and you do not need a license, unless the local authorities want some money.
Still have not seen too many houses falling down....
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I have no time or desire to help those who only want to bitch.
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GC license testing in CO is a bummer. One bigass thick book, a guy can't keep the damm thing open. You need to score an 80 or higher. If ya flunk you repay to retest again. On average the front desk gal told me it takes 4-8 hours to finish. It took me 6 (as I left to take a freaking lunch).

I finally finish and hand it in to the gal. She says hang on she'll correct it now. I'm watching her make slashes on the wrong ones and cringing every time she moves her pen. I squeaked out an 80.

Unless I flunked and she was just being nice.

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The GC license here is pretty involved (no idea what the requirements/testing are) but to get my remodelers license they want $75 a year and proof of insurance (GC and WC).
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are you be surprised by this?
builder has to know electrical , plumbing and HVAC questions and still has to hire a specific subcontractor of that respective trade.
that right there is for the best interest of the state

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The Florida building contractor's tests are proctored (you gotta hold up your hand to go pee) and are open-book. You aren't expected to know everything about every trade, you're expected to know how to look up enough information fast enough to pass the test. I never would have passed them all the first time without first taking the class. No one's passing those tests with what's in their head, I don't care how experienced you are.
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Michigan isnt any better, Im in the process of going for a exam for the electrical license. What a mess that is. Im doing a study course and it has a practice test and shows you where to find the answer. One question I couldn't find so I hit the button to show you where to find the answer and it goes through all the pages I did then says to look at the chart on whatever page and it says there is no reference to this chart so you just have to search for it. On a timed exam how are you supposed to search though a 2 inch thick book?

You have to have a min score of 75%, my theory is they have it rigged where you ace the test if you get a 75%. When is costs $100 to take the test they want you to take it a lot of times.

I think a lot of these license exams got the way because the big shots at the state need something to do to keep their jobs so they are always changing things. If they dont do something there is no reason for them to have a job so they try to look important and are always screwing around with this stuff.
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I had to do the WV license test. I bought a pile of books they recommended. Carpentry, masonry, concrete, drywall, osha, I already had the NEC.

I studied and failed.
I studied more and failed.
I studied more and passed.

There was a business and law test that needed to be taken separately. I was able to have our controller do that part. The license was issued in the company name.

That was 12+ years ago. I couldn't pass that test tomorrow if my life depended on it. It was open book too.



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Come to CT and all you have to do is fork over cash to the state and viola! You're a contractor.
Same with NJ, you can even do government work. Send the state around $100.00, proof of insurance and a little paperwork and you're in .
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Don't need proof of insurance here.
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Don't need proof of insurance here.
In michigan the state doesnt require insurance but some municipalities do if you pull a permit. They wont give you a permit without insurance.

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