Reason #1,873,319 To Love WalMart

 
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:29 PM   #61
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Sure, some of their business practices are unethical, however, you can not sit here and honestly say you would not like to have the bank account of any member of the Walton family. With millions of employees, how can everyone be kept happy? Its hard enough to keep two guys happy if you ask me.
This is where you guys miss the boat. You're saying with millions of employees how can everyone be kept happy?

You need to get it through your head that this is not made up stuff this is not some frivilous issue. This is not about a disgruntled employee working in the jewelry section in one Walmart in one city.

Walmart has been sued an extrodinary amount of times for cut & dry labor violations, for extradinary amounts of money due to the large number of violtions.

Do you understand this? This is as cut and dry as you telling an employee I'm not paying you time and 1/2 for over time. which is a VIOLATION OF THE FEDERAL LABOR LAWS - plain and simple. It's the exact same cut and dry scenario.

There are no gray areas with these lawsuits, there is only denial on Walmarts part and stalling. In the end they have been sued many, many times and lost or settled because they are guilty.

This is not about Walmart being misunderstood, this is not the law of averages in play where they are so big they are bound to have a few labor issues. This is cut and dry Walmart intentionally practicing illegal labor practices for as long as they could get away with them, doing it on a huge scale, being sued many, many times and losing.

If walmart was an oil tanker being sued for poluting the sees it would not be about them accidently dropping a bucket of oil over the side one time, it would be similar to an oil tanker openning all the valves and running up and down the coast intentionally dumping an entire super tanker load of oil on purpose.

Now until you understand that, there can be no discussion.

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Old 11-11-2009, 07:36 PM   #62
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Now, let me get this straight. These big box stores are bad guys because they offer low prices to people who otherwise could not live at the same level they do buying from the Big Boxes?

Constantly on this very forum, I hear contractors say that if people cannot afford their prices, tough. They openly state that they have no intention of ever lowering their prices. They feel they are worth every penny they charge. Am I right so far?

Yet, these same contractors fully expect to continue to get their lumber yard discounts as they always have. Even though, because they cannot purchase in the same volume as the contractor, their own customers do not enjoy this price reduction. Nor is it passed on to the customer unless it is absolutely necessary in order to win the bid. Otherwise, the contractor’s price remains at the same higher point.

Now, if one of us, as contractors, happens to fall into an advantageous situation where he can procure materials at a very good price, what happens? Nothing – if I am to believe what I read here. The price to the consumer remains the same. And the contractor buys another new tricked out GMC dually to the tune of 35 to 50 thousand dollars. (And we all know many are closer to 70K)

Why? Well, the good-hearted guy who passes on none of his extra profits to the customer is doing his fellow contractor a good deed by keeping prices high. Very commendable.

Nothing I have said so far contradicts the very sentiments expressed here, does it? No, you know it doesn’t.

Now, suppose some misguided idiot of an upstart contractor happens to feel that since he also has parents who cannot afford much (like some of us), he wants to help them and others like them too. He decides that he will determine an overall salary he can live with. And suppose he sets his rates accordingly. He’s living quite well with a stock F-150, and a medium size home. And he likes the idea of helping a few other people finally be able to do the same… and still get some home improvements done.

His workers are not getting scale…….. but neither are those of the “good” contractor. They are all making about the same. As, around here, so are Big Box employees when compared to hardware store employees. Almost no middle class worker in our area – no matter where they work – makes much more or less than a couple of bucks from any worker down the street. And this includes Big Box people.

This benevolent contractor also buys foreign tools, just like us. And he supports all those companies on the list I posted, just like us.

Only real difference is that he passes on some savings to his customers…….. unlike us.

Is he honestly and truly the devil we want to portray the Big Box operators as being?

If so………………….. Why?

And if not…………….. Why not?
The answer to your questions are very simple, because your question is based on one problem.

You're ignoring the fact that if your good willed contractor who was able to have a lower overhead and passed his savings on to his customers was identical to Walmart, his lower prices and lower overhead would be due to

- screwing his suppliers - signing contracts and then not honoring them. Running suppliers out of business, etc...
- screwing his employees - not paying overtime, discriminating against women, paying lower than market salary, playing games with hours to avoid benefits... etc..
- providing low quality products

So you need to fix your question about your good samaritan contractor, otherwise what you are asking is irrelevant.

It's not about lower prices or in this case lower overhead. It's how the lower overhead is achieved.
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Ok, Mike, accepted. WalMart can remain the heavy. I guess they can handle it.
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I see your point Mike. I also think that some employees are trying to find anything that they can complain about to get some money out of the big company. Companies that big are going to have problems constantly. I don't think there is a way around it.

What you have to accept is that Wal-Mart is not going to go anywhere. They will constantly grow and pretty soon we will be buying Wal Mart logo tools and materials. Like I said before, the guy had the right idea and it worked. Lets say 20,000 employees of the roughly 1.4 million are unhappy a year that is still less than what 2% off the top of my head. If Wal-mart goes out of business, who will hire those people?
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I see your point Mike. I also think that some employees are trying to find anything that they can complain about to get some money out of the big company.
I'm sure there are some employee like that working there. However other companies of similar size don't have the same history of lawsuits against them.



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Companies that big are going to have problems constantly. I don't think there is a way around it.
Sure, however other companies of similar size don't have the same history of lawsuits against them.

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What you have to accept is that Wal-Mart is not going to go anywhere.
I don't know about that. Nothing is forever. You know that company called Sears? They were so big at one time, so revolutionary that they actually sold houses. Not anymore.


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They will constantly grow and pretty soon we will be buying Wal Mart logo tools and materials.
I doubt it, but you never know.

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If Wal-mart goes out of business, who will hire those people?
Arbys? McDonalds? The local movie theater? A car wash? That's about the extent of their qualifications I believe.
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