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Old 12-19-2008, 10:01 AM   #61
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Old 12-19-2008, 10:42 AM   #62
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I can answer most of your statements in regard to you have no idea what I'm talking about.

If the code says to do something a certain way. I don't need to stand next to an electrician, be it a master, a journeyman or 2nd day helper and tell him not to do that, do it this way so it passes inspection.

Know what lippage is? I don't need to stand next to a tile setter be it a master setter, and apprentace or a 2nd day helper and inspect each tile he lays for being within proper specs of lippage.

For some reason you think I am talking about something subjective, somebody installing a light switch 1/2 inch farther to the right then I would have liked.



What a crock of absolute horse sh*t.

Construction isn't a game of concrete absolutes to sloppy ass people in this business.

The same mentality -

Construction is not showing up on time for an estimate

Construction is ball parking on your tail gate

Construction is writing your estimate on a napkin

Construction is showing up with beer on your breath

Construction is not returning phone calls

Construction is keeping customers waiting

etc...

Whatever.

I got news for you all construction is absolutely a game of absolutes.

There ain't too much that should be shocking, a surprise or different then what you expect if you know what the hell you are doing, if you care about what you are doing and if you care about your customers.

Construction is easy. Everything we do in construction has been done before a million times. Everything we do has a written set of directions, codes or industry standards.

Nobody in this industry is doing anything magical.

Every job is unique in it's own ways, the uniqueness of jobs are what leads to ballparking. Hell, if every job was a cookie cutter, sure, we could give concrete prices without hesitation. The fact of the matter is, every job has it's own set of blueprints to follow.

As a painter, I could give concrete pricing about 80 percent of the time. But that leaves a good sized window to determine the correct pricing. If I've got to strip three coats of paint off of one hundred year old trim that's stained underneath, you bet your butt I'm ballparking. This job could take anywhere from two days to five days. This would be a good time to charge by the hour, which is ballparking at it's finest.

The other issues you mention, showing up with beer on the breath, writing out contracts on napkins, not returning phone calls etc., are mistakes made by irresponsible people. A responsible contractor wouldn't do any of those things IMO.
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Years ago I had an electrician that worked this way. Showed up on the job with his journeyman on the first day to go through the job with me and homeowner to see what the job entailed and then would disappear while the journeyman did all the work. He would be at the coffeeshop hanging out with his buddies. The work was always done well and at the agreed on price and done as fast as we needed it, but it always bugged me that he was never there helping. I finally told his guy that when he finally got his master license and decided to venture out on his own....he should call me and I would be his first builder to work for. That guy has been my electrician now for the past 8 years or so!!!



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you are a whore to steel a mans employee because you think the boss has nothing better to do than sit on your job (I am certain you do not give him all his work) You are no better than a sub who takes work away from a GC by working directly for the HO. How do you know he was at the coffee shop? Did you track him down stalk him? Are you jellos that he is a good business man and has an employee that he pays to do your work?

I have seven tinners that work for me I spend no time in the coffee shop. If you were one of my GC's and stoll my employee I would love to see you crash and burn and I am sure if your ethics are really that poor you will crash and burn.

Then again I dont have all the details so you might a great guy and the electrical contractor mmight be a tool.

Just my two cents
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We sell about 140-160 jobs a year. Each job is built by a subcontracting crew, and during the heavy part of the season, we have as many as 10 crews on the go. I can't be everywhere everyday, and neither can my foreman. I do get the occasional customer who can't understand why I'm not there every second of the day. When that happens I mention that I also do sales, run the company, co-ordinate, deal with suppliers, paperwork, and educating us on new industry knowledge.
Only as a last resort would I mention that they are not our only customer. They HATE hearing that, and it makes them think we don't care about them.
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Let me make it easy on you. You're not the first sub who has let himself be treated like a piece of sh*t once to many times by some dirt-bag general. You're mad at yourself, you feel dirty, your man-hood has been shrunk so badley you're really starting to believe that you might actually be more woman than man. It's okay. There's a solution.

You might not have been able to understand what this meant

So I'll spell it out for you real simple.

You can stop being treated like a punk, you can stand back up tall in the saddle. All you have to do is stop sucking on the money teat of general contractors. Stop living like a welfare mother off of the sweat of others. Or a crack whore having to suck the next d*ck for that rock.

Get the hell out there and get yourself some retail customers instead of crying like a baby and bitching and biting the hand that feeds you about the lack of respect you get from those generals. Get out there in the real world instead and compete with em and bring in your own jobs instead of waiting for your next hand out.

Good luck to you.
Mike,

I am going to respond to you this last time on this subject as I have just seen your last response.


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Let me make it easy on you. You're not the first sub who has let himself be treated like a piece of sh*t once to many times by some dirt-bag general.
Pat attention son. I do not work for generals because in my experience (in the commercial market) 95% are douche bag throat cutters.

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You're mad at yourself, you feel dirty, your man-hood has been shrunk so badley you're really starting to believe that you might actually be more woman than man. It's okay. There's a solution
I am not mad at myself and don't know where you got that. Oh, you dreamed it up, much like your seemingly self importance.

It only took me two times getting screwed by GC's before I found another direction and better way to make money.


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You might not have been able to understand what this meant

So I'll spell it out for you real simple.
Your douche bag attempt to insult my intelligence when you don't even know me only mirrors your lack of intelligence. STFU and don't embarrass yourself with these kind of remarks.

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You can stop being treated like a punk, you can stand back up tall in the saddle. All you have to do is stop sucking on the money teat of general contractors. Stop living like a welfare mother off of the sweat of others. Or a crack whore having to suck the next d*ck for that rock.
Again ass wipe, I don't work for GC's, it' been posted here before and no, I won't look it up for you.

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Get the hell out there and get yourself some retail customers instead of crying like a baby and bitching and biting the hand that feeds you about the lack of respect you get from those generals.
Again, I don't work for GC's. WTF? You are starting to sound jealous that you were only smart enough to do it the hard way.

I don't need retail customers. I have plenty that pay better. I net 30-40% with my clients that I have worked for for years. You are the one out there begging for work in the "remodel" business. Sucking it in for every HO you can get your puckered lips close to.

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Get out there in the real world instead and compete with em and bring in your own jobs instead of waiting for your next hand out.
I live in the real world and make it to the bank regularly. No need for hand outs. I have been at the beach spear fishing for the last two months while my jobs are being wrapped up and then I'll be in Costa Riv=ca for a month or two after that doing the same thing while a couple more jobs get started.

Where will you be? Begging for work with that fabulous pucker of yours?

Don't bother responding. These are rhetorical questions for your benefit to ponder only.

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