Question About Azek For Loneframer, Worldllc Or Others

mact60

Loneframer, I saw your pictures of different Azek jobs and you do beautiful work. I have a few weeks of down time before I can start my next job and thought I'd use the time to replace some facia boards on my house with azek. I noticed that on some of your jobs you used azek on the facia. I assume you glued the corner miters. What glue do you use PVC or something else? If so would you recommend azek for this application? I know it expands a lot in the heat and just wondered if in any of your jobs you've had any callbacks due to thermal expansion, miters separating or other issues. Any opinions would be appreciated as would opinions from others with significant Azek experience.

loneframer

Thanks for the kind words. Now, for adhesive, I like to use Christy's Red Hot. It is white in color, but is not helpfull as a gap filler, cuts must fit snugly. It comes in a squeeze tube or a caulk type tube. I recommend the squeeze tube for control. Excess can be removed immediately with a rag soaked in Goof Off and some quick elbow grease. Azek, as well as other similar trimboards, is succeptable to a good amount of expansion and contraction. However, I would recommend it for this application. One thing to watch out for is that the solvents in the glue will soften the material and it will stay that way for a day or two before the solvent evaporates completely. I try to keep the material out of the sun before installation. I have had laps move overnight due to temperature change. All in all the zero maintanance outweighs that overall. I nail it up with SS 16 ga. gun nails, roughly 16" centers. I don't fill the holes because the fillers will attract dirt and in the end looks worse than the holes. You can lightly fill them with the Christy's, but the solvent may cause dimpling of the Azek. Although Azek can be painted, darker colors will absorb more heat and exagerate the thermal expansion. I'm going to import a few pix from my camera and post back in a little while. I just finished the Azek on my own house.

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loneframer

Her are a few pics of my house.

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Tom Struble

nice ''ears'' lone

loneframer

Some other jobs.

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loneframer

Wanted to do something unconventional. I purposely didn't go back to your post to review because I wanted to be original. Now I can go back and check yours out again.

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naptown CR

Has anyone tried rabbeting the ends on long runs at joints so if it dows open up it still shows azek.

loneframer

Never tried that one, but it may happen on the next house.

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Tom Struble

im giving miatec a try for long runs and saving the azek for window and door trim and for areas low to grade like water tables.
I paint all my composites so the difference in materials shouldn't show too much

Five Star

Just upon customers request i painted certainteed restoration boards(which to me is exactly like azek) on my last project, after trying several different types of fillers fo the nails i ended up filling the nail holes with dap painters putty, it was very easy clean up and after painting was a perfect match!

i went also to an event dinner last week for parkside distributers of azek and one of the venders there from fastenmaster showed us a AZEK PLUG SYSTEM! you buy a box kit of plugs and screws and it comes with a predrilling bit! the system is so percise you can not tell where you plugged the srews on a sample board, we must of drove 30 screws with in a 16 1x8 sample!! the plugs are actually made of azek.

its called COR-TEX by fastenmaster

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world llc

sounds expensive, but something i could use!


as far as the OP goes, we use the azek brand glue when the weather is over 40 degrees (gel's up when frozen) it goes on yellow and dries white... just keep a rag on hand for squeze out. we glue and nail and haven't run into problems yet.

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naptown CR

I have doubts about the various adhesives holding this type of material together over the long term (40 years) given the coefficient of expansion.
and don't even think about painting a color less than 70% reflectence.
Thats why the rabbeting came up kind of like the joints in vinyl siding.

nEighter

Do you mean Miratec? The synthetic wood stuff with 25yr factory warranty? I have used THOUSANDS of LnFT of this stuff and I love it. I have, and am doing (today, yesterday, tomorrow) work with it on my own place. And I try to stick with PVC on windows too.

naptown CR

I wonder if this trick would work on azek
When installing and it is NOT being painted I am thinking that the method I use for filling nail holes in cabinet trim would work. basically it is taking a rag with mineral spirits on it and wiping the area where the hole is. Rubbing the fill stick (wax) over it till filled and wiping with mineral spirits after to blend. The mineral spirits lubricates the surface and minimizes the amount on the face. softens the stick somewhat to allow more fill and the last wipe removes the excess and makes it almost invisible. cuts the time to fill a hole by 2/3

loneframer

It's worth a try, but every type of filler I have tried attracts dirt and shows up as bad or worse than the nail holes after a few weeks. Lightly filling with the christy's seems to work best so far, but it will soften the material and dimple if applied to heavily.

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loneframer

Tom, one of the builders I framed for used Miratec on all of his homes. They were all coastal areas. The next time I go to Ocean City, I'll get pics, these houses are about 8 years old now. I'm curious to see how it held up. I know for a fact his guys were priming all cuts. I have a job to look at there on Tuesday.

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Tom Struble

yes i meant Miratec ive used it a few times and i like it i prime all cuts also,one thing you cant do is nail or screw thru the edge or end nail,the plys seperate.But it can be glued and it paints up nice,i always recomend duration for the top coat,nice bulletproof finish.
Its also less expensive than pvc and can be painted dark colors

Heres a job i did recently replacing all the old cedar trim

enforcer

loneframer,
the first pic(your house).on the windows you 45ed the corners and then installed a drip cap to give it a crown type appearance? what size drip cap? 5/4, 3/4?

neolitic

What is it?
Web site says composite,
is it like CDX?
What?

Yes! Pix!
I always want to know
what it's going to look like.

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loneframer

Neo, from what I remember, itreminds me of MDF or Masonite, maybe a cross breed? I'll do my best to recon some pics on Tuesday evening.

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